I'd say it's a Jusiticiar. I don't think it's meant to be anyone specific. They probably all look like that.
But it could also be Poss.
I also tend think it is Poss as well - seems a good match to the article.
My question in correlation is - which artist drew her? I've noticed some of the other images seem similar in style - but I can't tell which artists of the ones listed it is. Anyone know?
I assumed it was Poss, too (the example paladin NPC). It describes her as checking on frontier settlements - goes with her Ponderosa vibe.
I wondered when you'd notice her Urza.
::chuckle::
If Law Enforcement were only that cute!
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Obtuse reference to the Ooooooooold West. Annie Oakley, cowgirl-looking crossbow girl, you know.
I had a feeling it was something like that. :)
I wondered when you'd notice her Urza. ::chuckle:: If Law Enforcement were only that cute!
Seoni got a little jealous when I "noticed" Lady Andaisin and I've been under house arrest since. ;)
Truth is I've just fallen behind in my reading and while I skim everything I'm playing catchup. Thankfully though both Legacy of the Force and 4E Realms have been a big turn off and I'm not as far behind as I would be if I were still reading them.
Honestly, the bodyshots in the gods articles are usually ordered to represent either a generic priest of the deity's faith or an example member of the prestiege class. So really, she's whoever you want.
I'm pretty sure she's Rushuna Tendo from the anime Grenadier. (in disguise!)
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Honestly, the bodyshots in the gods articles are usually ordered to represent either a generic priest of the deity's faith or an example member of the prestiege class. So really, she's whoever you want.
I'd do some body shots off her anytime...
I'm glad I am not the only one who found her strangely attractive.
She can take me into custody any day. Between her and the gnome wizard in the Pathfinder Chronicles: Guide to Korvosa, I think I am turning into an a fan of this type of art.
Answer to question above, she is in Pathfinder #8—Curse of the Crimson Throne Chapter 2: "Seven Days to the Grave" the section on Abadar.
You another weirdly attactive character? Thumb through Hangman's Noose sometime. There is a very attractive woman depicted (not so much the character face profile, but the action shot), and then you read the module to find out she's a halfling..
Hottest damn hobbit I've ever seen. :D
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I remember something like that happening with Dragon. There was a dark haired rogue on the cover... turned out to be a halfling. Yikes!
And yes Madge from U2 is deceiving as well. Could easily be an elf or half elf. :P
There are tons of websites out there devoted to halfling porn, so it's not too weird. Though, if a human mated with one, would their child be a three-quarterling?
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I'm pretty sure she's Rushuna Tendo from the anime Grenadier. (in disguise!)
Hmm... I was kinda thinking she looked like Meg from Burst Angel.
You want another weirdly attactive character? Thumb through Hangman's Noose sometime. There is a very attractive woman depicted (not so much the character face profile, but the action shot), and then you read the module to find out she's a halfling..
Hottest damn hobbit I've ever seen. :D
Yeah, Madge is a cutie. :)
There are tons of websites out there devoted to halfling porn, so it's not too weird.
Dude. I could have lived my entire life without knowing that. :P
If Law Enforcement were only that cute!
You know, I have a couple of videos, where... Uhm.. I mean... Never mind.
Honestly, the bodyshots in the gods articles are usually ordered to represent either a generic priest of the deity's faith or an example member of the prestiege class. So really, she's whoever you want.
Well, the Prestige Classes are supposed to be typical clerics, right? So it's both the same really.
You another weirdly attactive character?
What's weirdly about it? It's not like she is some weird race or something. She's a hot cowgirl.
Thumb through Hangman's Noose sometime. There is a very attractive woman depicted (not so much the character face profile, but the action shot), and then you read the module to find out she's a halfling..Hottest damn hobbit I've ever seen. :D
The mugshot's in the weblog, I first thought she was an elf or half-elf. And yes, she is quite hot.
On the matter of hot small races: Take a look at the female gnome from Ravenloft (in the racial descriptions). She's quite cute.
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Well, the Prestige Classes are supposed to be typical clerics, right? So it's both the same really.
Not necessarily; while the prestige classes that sometimes appear in the deity articles often work well with clerics, we try to design them so that they work with any worshiper of that deity, cleric or otherwise.
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Urza, when you mentioned the Dragon cover, I knew which one you were talking about - you just beat me to getting in an image post.;-)
Hey now, what's offending about her? That's a classic Larry Elmore fantasy girl - it just happens to be his interpretation of a halfing. Original image here. I was just discussing this in another thread - Elmore's illustrations tend make fantasy races look more human and more apealling as a result, in my opinion. It may not be the best interpretation, but she's still pretty hot!
Getting back to the subject in question:
What's weirdly about it? She's a hot cowgirl.
Yes, she's defintely got that vibe going on. ;-)
More to my previous question, can Mike or James tell me which person illustrated her? My guess is Andrew Hou; but I wanted to make sure.
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If it is Andrew Hou, then much props to him. He did my favorite elf cover girl, dungeon 103. (I think.)
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Well the reason I asked is because Justiciar has some crossbow mechanics in it. On the flip side, Poss is a paladin that could become a Justiciar. But I don't really envision paladins using crossbows primarily... even with rapid reload.
Really? I don't see anything un-paladin-like about crossbows. I'm genuinely curious as to why that's a disconnect for you.
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Really? I don't see anything un-paladin-like about crossbows. I'm genuinely curious as to why that's a disconnect for you.
Because most paladins wear fullplate.
Most paladins sword & board.Many paladins shield bash.
Oh.. and if play style isn't good enough, all of the Paladin abilities assume your near your party members, if your primary weapon is a range weapon, then you're not using your abilities to boost the fighter, cleric, and rogue who are in melee combat.
I can't take that illustration seriously at all. Looks like something you would order in the back of a magazine, not a representative of a LN god of wealth and cities.
In my opinion, of course.
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Really? I don't see anything un-paladin-like about crossbows. I'm genuinely curious as to why that's a disconnect for you.Because most paladins wear fullplate.
Most paladins sword & board.
Many paladins shield bash.Oh.. and if play style isn't good enough, all of the Paladin abilities assume your near your party members, if your primary weapon is a range weapon, then you're not using your abilities to boost the fighter, cleric, and rogue who are in melee combat.
I've played a LOT of paladins (dozens, I think) over the years, and, unless I'm forgetting one, not until last year did one of them wear fullplate. I might just be weird in this way, too. (God knows I am in other ways) but holy retribution doesn't need fullplate to work in my mind. The one I'm playing right now is a follower of Erastil, and (once he gets back to his stuff; right now he's unarmored and wielding a hatchet & dagger) he uses a longbow.
Most NPC paladins in ultra-stereotypical orders probably go about as you described, but I suspect that's rather less of paladindom than one might expect.
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Really? I don't see anything un-paladin-like about crossbows. I'm genuinely curious as to why that's a disconnect for you.Because most paladins wear fullplate.
Most paladins sword & board.
Many paladins shield bash.Oh.. and if play style isn't good enough, all of the Paladin abilities assume your near your party members, if your primary weapon is a range weapon, then you're not using your abilities to boost the fighter, cleric, and rogue who are in melee combat.
Perhaps in Warcraft... but yeah. I've seen a wide range of Paladins in D&D as well. A crossbow wielding paladin is certainly not commonplace, but I suspect that's more because crossbows in D&D have always been kind of second-fiddle to bows, and paladins generally aren't associated with ranged combat anyway.
That said... paladins of Abadar (of which there are a fair amount in Golarion...) do carry crossbows, since that's the favored weapon of their god. If you're looking for sword and shield full-plate wearing paladins, Iomedae paladins are the way to go.
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Really? I don't see anything un-paladin-like about crossbows. I'm genuinely curious as to why that's a disconnect for you.Because most paladins wear fullplate.
Most paladins sword & board.
Many paladins shield bash.Oh.. and if play style isn't good enough, all of the Paladin abilities assume your near your party members, if your primary weapon is a range weapon, then you're not using your abilities to boost the fighter, cleric, and rogue who are in melee combat.
Perhaps in Warcraft... but yeah. I've seen a wide range of Paladins in D&D as well. A crossbow wielding paladin is certainly not commonplace, but I suspect that's more because crossbows in D&D have always been kind of second-fiddle to bows, and paladins generally aren't associated with ranged combat anyway.
That said... paladins of Abadar (of which there are a fair amount in Golarion...) do carry crossbows, since that's the favored weapon of their god. If you're looking for sword and shield full-plate wearing paladins, Iomedae paladins are the way to go.
And I'm guessing if what you really want is to get your head caved in by an angry dwarf with a hammer, do something really evil within eyeshot of a paladin of Torag. :)
What really intrigues me is the paladins of Sarenrae, Shelyn and Irori, (especially Shelyn and Irori) because they're likely not terribly stereotypical paladins. And I like that.
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And I'm guessing if what you really want is to get your head caved in by an angry dwarf with a hammer, do something really evil within eyeshot of a paladin of Torag. :)
What really intrigues me is the paladins of Sarenrae, Shelyn and Irori, (especially Shelyn and Irori) because they're likely not terribly stereotypical paladins. And I like that.
Of those three... Sarenrae EASILY has the most paladins. Her paladins are medium-armor (or even light armor) wearing, for the most part, and fight with scimitars and shields. Of all the paladins, her paladins are the ones who are most likely to be finesse fighters.
Irori and Shelyn don't have actual paladin orders, I don't think; their paladins are pretty rare. But they'd be pretty cool!
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Perhaps in Warcraft... but yeah. I've seen a wide range of Paladins in D&D as well. A crossbow wielding paladin is certainly not commonplace, but I suspect that's more because crossbows in D&D have always been kind of second-fiddle to bows, and paladins generally aren't associated with ranged combat anyway.
Playing the warcraft card? No I wasn't thinking about WoW.. I was thinking about the fact that if you have a shield, it's an option.. granted subpar if you don't have the feat, but still there. I even seem to remember some feats that let you smite bash.
The whole reloading thing is why bows play second-fiddle. I've seen many players "drop" their crossbow after firing and draw whatever weapon as they moved. Which is not an unrealistic combat maneuver anyway.
In any case, the Auras are not designed for a paladin to be in the back and a paladin can't be close because reloading still provokes an AoO. And since Paladin's don't wear fullplate (based on presented arguements).. provoking AoOs don't seem too smart.
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The whole reloading thing is why bows play second-fiddle. I've seen many players "drop" their crossbow after firing and draw whatever weapon as they moved. Which is not an unrealistic combat maneuver anyway.
In any case, the Auras are not designed for a paladin to be in the back and a paladin can't be close because reloading still provokes an AoO. And since Paladin's don't wear fullplate (based on presented arguements).. provoking AoOs don't seem too smart.
Ever since seeing the Abadar article, I've been longing to play a light armored, highly mobile, paladin with a heavy repeating crossbow.
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Ever since seeing the Abadar article, I've been longing to play a light armored, highly mobile, paladin with a heavy repeating crossbow.You might be better off dropping the repeating part of that and go with the Crossbow Mastery feat from the CotCT player's guide.
Yeah, thinking about it . . .
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Playing the warcraft card? No I wasn't thinking about WoW.. I was thinking about the fact that if you have a shield, it's an option.. granted subpar if you don't have the feat, but still there. I even seem to remember some feats that let you smite bash.
The whole reloading thing is why bows play second-fiddle. I've seen many players "drop" their crossbow after firing and draw whatever weapon as they moved. Which is not an unrealistic combat maneuver anyway.
In any case, the Auras are not designed for a paladin to be in the back and a paladin can't be close because reloading still provokes an AoO. And since Paladin's don't wear fullplate (based on presented arguements).. provoking AoOs don't seem too smart.
Yeah... the use of the phrase, "sword and board" is what triggered the Warcraft card, to be honest. I'd never heard that phrase before WoW, and have heard it LOTS there... so therefore it's YOUR FAULT I brought up Warcraft! :)
And the reloading thing is, in theory, addressed by the Rapid Reload feat or the Crossbow Mastery feat (the second being from the Curse of the Crimson Throne Player's Guide... I suspect it'll make it into the Pathfinder RPG as well...).
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Yeah... the use of the phrase, "sword and board" is what triggered the Warcraft card, to be honest. I'd never heard that phrase before WoW, and have heard it LOTS there... so therefore it's YOUR FAULT I brought up Warcraft! :)
I've heard it used before that so ha! Maybe it originated there I don't know, but it comes from my D&D table. ;P
And the reloading thing is, in theory, addressed by the Rapid Reload feat or the Crossbow Mastery feat (the second being from the Curse of the Crimson Throne Player's Guide... I suspect it'll make it into the Pathfinder RPG as well...).
Aye, already stated as such. Rapid Reload don't take care of the AoO part of it though, just the reload part. Saidly Crossbow Mastery isn't available at a table that isn't Paizoized. :)
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I've heard it used before that so ha! Maybe it originated there I don't know, but it comes from my D&D table. ;P
I suspect it comes from Everquest, actually... a lot of MMORPG terminology has crept into the game.
Aye, already stated as such. Rapid Reload don't take care of the AoO part of it though, just the reload part. Saidly Crossbow Mastery isn't available at a table that isn't Paizoized. :)
True enough. But anyone using a paladin of Abadar in their game is already Paizoized! :)
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Ever since seeing the Abadar article, I've been longing to play a light armored, highly mobile, paladin with a heavy repeating crossbow.
The whole reloading thing is why bows play second-fiddle. I've seen many players "drop" their crossbow after firing and draw whatever weapon as they moved. Which is not an unrealistic combat maneuver anyway.
In any case, the Auras are not designed for a paladin to be in the back and a paladin can't be close because reloading still provokes an AoO. And since Paladin's don't wear fullplate (based on presented arguements).. provoking AoOs don't seem too smart.
Yeah, add in Ranged Smite Evil from the BoED, wear a couple of subdivided quivers on your legs for different kinds of ammo, and add in a bayonet from Complete Adventurer. All that plus that amazing-looking gold armor = AWESOME. Throw in some black clothing for contrast for an even cooler look.
Paladins with ranged weapons are cool. If only Golarion had a bit more tech, you could have paladins in denim wearing two heavy revolvers, hunting men in black.
All Hail Gilead!
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Yeah, add in Ranged Smite Evil from the BoED, wear a couple of subdivided quivers on your legs for different kinds of ammo, and add in a bayonet from Complete Adventurer. All that plus that amazing-looking gold armor = AWESOME. Throw in some black clothing for contrast for an even cooler look.
Crossbow bayonets? Hmm I don't remember those.
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Yeah, add in Ranged Smite Evil from the BoED, wear a couple of subdivided quivers on your legs for different kinds of ammo, and add in a bayonet from Complete Adventurer. All that plus that amazing-looking gold armor = AWESOME. Throw in some black clothing for contrast for an even cooler look.Crossbow bayonets? Hmm I don't remember those.
The drow on the cover of Pathfinder #13 kinda has a crossbow bayonet.
Paladins with ranged weapons are cool. If only Golarion had a bit more tech, you could have paladins in denim wearing two heavy revolvers, hunting men in black.
All Hail Gilead!
A knight without armor in a savage land?
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Yes I know, I just don't remember stats for them in the Complete books. I'll have to look next time.Crossbow bayonets? Hmm I don't remember those.The drow on the cover of Pathfinder #13 kinda has a crossbow bayonet.
Ah! I'm sure they exist somewhere... but to be honest, I don't remember seeing crossbow bayonets anywhere statted up as an actual weapon. If you find one... let me know!
Ah! I'm sure they exist somewhere... but to be honest, I don't remember seeing crossbow bayonets anywhere statted up as an actual weapon. If you find one... let me know!
You'll find one in the Ultimate Equipment Guide 1 from Mongoose, page 179 to be exact. I thought there was one in the Arms and Equipment Guide from WotC, but I must have been thinking of that wand crossbow thing.
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Ah! I'm sure they exist somewhere... but to be honest, I don't remember seeing crossbow bayonets anywhere statted up as an actual weapon. If you find one... let me know!
Ah ha, found it! It was Complete Scoundrel, page 109.
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Hand crossbows are treated as daggers.
Light & Medium Crossbow can have a short blade or a long blade attached to them. Treat them as a short spear or (normal) spear based on the blade.
All suffer -2 to attack and can't be thrown but are treated as noted above.