The Whispering Tyrant


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Naturally, a guy described as "the greatest evil mankind had ever known" (Gazetteer p. 38) is going to sound a bit intriguing, even if it is an exaggeration. Plus it's a cool name.

So, are there any other "official" details about the Whispering Tyrant currently? Powers he had beyond those of a typical high-level lich/wizard? Noteworthy minions still on the loose after his defeat? Does he have any direct influence over the area around Gallowspire? How exactly was he imprisoned? And is there anything else cool about him that I wouldn't think to ask with the minimal information I've got?

Also, although the Tyrant himself sounds much too scary to use directly in anything but a very high-level game, I'm interested in ways to incorporate his influence. (My upcoming campaign will probably spend a fair amount of time in the Lastwall/Ustalav area.) It sounds as if plenty of his undead creations are still around, and perhaps some nearby orc tribes still think back to the glory days when he led them to establish a pretty massive empire. Does anyone (Paizo staff or otherwise) have some other ideas for how the Whispering Tyrant might affect a campaign, without it being entirely about him?

Thanks much.


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There was a GameMastery Compleat Encounter set called "The Vault of the Whispering Tyrant" so that might have some more info but I don't have it so I can't give you any additional details.

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Also there might have been a brief mention of it in the background material for the CotCT AP that appeared in PF#6, and I read something elsewhere too, maybe in the blog? I seem to recall something about a tower that drove everyone crazy who entered it, but I might be mixing it up with something else.

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Davelozzi wrote:

There was a GameMastery Compleat Encounter set called "The Vault of the Whispering Tyrant" so that might have some more info but I don't have it so I can't give you any additional details.

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I think the tower you're thinking of was in Nex (or Geb--I always get them confused).

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Davelozzi wrote:
I seem to recall something about a tower that drove everyone crazy who entered it, but I might be mixing it up with something else.

Eando Kline tells us this story in the "Skinsaw Murders". No direct info on the Tyrant, though, only that his tower is located at the banks of Lake Aletheia (wherever that is)

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Only the editorial folks can chime in on his background, but I can show you what he looks like...

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I can also tease that the Whispering Tyrant is on Wayne Reynold's cover for the Campaign Setting hardcover. Sweet! :)

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Lisa Stevens wrote:

I can also tease that the Whispering Tyrant is on Wayne Reynold's cover for the Campaign Setting hardcover. Sweet! :)

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Very sweet! When do we get to see it? Hmm?


Lisa Stevens wrote:

I can also tease that the Whispering Tyrant is on Wayne Reynold's cover for the Campaign Setting hardcover. Sweet! :)

-Lisa

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The Whispering Tyrant is one of the "Big Bad Guys" of Golarion. We may or may not ever trot him out to directly menace the world... but we'll CERTAINLY have Tyrant-Related problems and incidents popping up relatively frequently. Keep an eye out! He's bad news!


WormysQueue wrote:
Davelozzi wrote:
I seem to recall something about a tower that drove everyone crazy who entered it, but I might be mixing it up with something else.
Eando Kline tells us this story in the "Skinsaw Murders". No direct info on the Tyrant, though, only that his tower is located at the banks of Lake Aletheia (wherever that is)

Thanks to both of you for the reminder on that one. Though now that I've re-read it, I'm not sure how it gels with the material in the Gazetteer. Is Kline describing Gallowspire? If so, it doesn't sound as big as I imagined (though I have no basis for that).

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WormysQueue wrote:
Davelozzi wrote:
I seem to recall something about a tower that drove everyone crazy who entered it, but I might be mixing it up with something else.
Eando Kline tells us this story in the "Skinsaw Murders". No direct info on the Tyrant, though, only that his tower is located at the banks of Lake Aletheia (wherever that is)

Considering that when Eando woke up the next morning, the storyteller and his wallet were both gone, I'd have to question the story's validity.

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The Whispering Tyrant is one of the "Big Bad Guys" of Golarion. Keep an eye out! He's bad news!

So um who are all the Big Bads???


Anyone here know of a certain uber-villain from Ptolus named Eslathagos Malkith?

(Spoilers for anyone planning a Ptolus campaign)

Him and Tar-Baphon have a lot in common. Malkith once ruled from his fortress of Jabel Shammar until he was defeated, then his remaining essence became trapped in said fortress. Same deal as Tar-Baphon and Gallowspire. Both are really high-level, evil liches (though Malkith was a cleric). Both ruled with an iron fist and an army of savages (orcs for Tar-Baphon, orcs and lots of other stuff for Malikth). Neither are "active" threats in their worlds. Instead, they are contained... at least for the moment.

Heh, but the funny thing is, that archetype actually fits a lot of past D&D villains: Zhengyi the Witch-King in Forgotten Realms (Castle Perilous, army of orcs and assassins, killed in 2nd edition), Azalin from Ravenloft (Castle Avernus, army of undead, sort-of killed once), and pre-divine Vecna from Greyhawk (Citadel Cavitius, armies of everything, died at least twice).

I guess every campaign setting needs a good boogeyman eh?

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Generic Villain wrote:
Anyone here know of a certain uber-villain from Ptolus named Eslathagos Malkith?

Yes.

My character Zophas Adhar redeemed his ass in Monte's actual Ptolus campaign.

WOOT!

Sorry.

Anyway, it's funny you mention him because I can say with authority that I did not think of him consciously when I came up with the Whispering Tyrant. I probably did have pre-deity Vecna in mind, but all three are in the grand tradition of lich-lords in fantasy and D&D in general.

The Vecnan tradition, if you will.

I'm not sure how fair it is to say that the Whispering Tyrant's essence suffuses Gallowspire, but the place is so deadly and molded to his image that it's a very apt metaphor. And it makes for a more interesting dungeon, which is really what Gallowspire is all about.


I have to say I much preferred the pre-deity Vecna. So much more tangible, someone who was plotting to become a god and had an evil nemesis in Kas

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Speaking of which...is there a Kas equivalentin Golarion?

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No.

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Well, let me add this caveat.

I have always thought it would be cool to trace various vampiric lineages through generations, and I have always thought it would be cool in a Greyhawk campaign to make one of the vampiric bloodlines based on Kas, because he was eventually statted out as a vampire.

So in that there are ancient powerful vampire lords in Golarion, yeah, there are people _like_ Kas.

But I assume you mean enemy who undid the big evil lich and who still has a bit of a following and a weapon named after him, then no.

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Erik Mona wrote:


I have always thought it would be cool to trace various vampiric lineages through generations, and I have always thought it would be cool in a Greyhawk campaign to make one of the vampiric bloodlines based on Kas, because he was eventually statted out as a vampire.

I cannot wait to learn more of this. I have always been a very huge Ravenloft fan and am always intrigued by the Vampiric...

I played a campaign once where vampires were not really common knowledge. The Cleric in our party was afraid of dying. His teacher called the PC to him and told him of a way to live forever. He then let his teacher lead him into vampirism. The PC then heard of something called the Daywalker cloak which would allow him to operate in the daylight. My character a halfing rogue (My namesake on this board) was the surviving member of the original group and the new Cleric Vampire (Beldin - a Dwarf) kept approaching me (childhood friends we were) to find this cloak for him. Eventually, it seemed less problematic to find the cloak - the damn vampire was in my head...

As I searched for it I had a run in with a wizard and was turned to stone. That is when things got really ugly - When I was eventually turned back to flesh over 1000 years had passed and the Emporer of the world was the same Vampire who had eventually recovered the cloak.

Talk about a bad day.


Well darnit Mr. Mona, Mr. Adhar didn't do a very good job. I mean for being redeemed, Malkith sure looks poised to resurrect and once again unleash all kinds of hurt on the poor souls of Ptolus.

Seriously though, as far as villains go, if you can make the Whispering Tyrant even half as cool as Eslathagos Malkith, that'll be a victory. Monte really captured the nihilistic, almost impotent nature of pure evil with him. Normally when I read something like "villain X is so evil, he makes demons look Chaotic Neutral", I just sigh and shake my head. But with Malkith, I really believed he could teach a balor a thing or two about being naughty.

Eh, but enough Monte-related gushing. As a villain connoisseur I'm already loving Tar-Baphon, and looking forward to the day when he might rear his head in print form.

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The Ptolus book is basically the city as it was before Monte started his campaign, just as many of the adventures in the book are events that our characters actually faced. So the actions our characters took and the changes they made on the world are generally not reflected in the Ptolus book.


Erik Mona wrote:

The Ptolus book is basically the city as it was before Monte started his campaign, just as many of the adventures in the book are events that our characters actually faced. So the actions our characters took and the changes they made on the world are generally not reflected in the Ptolus book.

Sure... make convenient excuses for why you couldn't get the job done.

Sounds like a fish-tale to me.


Oh okay, my bad; I thought your party was the one that originally killed Malkith, like, 8,000 years ago. Guess that wouldn't have made much sense huh?

As for Venca, I loved him most as a Dark Lord of Ravenloft. Why? Well, when he was statted out he had straight 25s in all six attributes. I was quite a bit younger back then, and maybe sort of a munchkin, so Venca's awesomeness just floored me. Plus, in the (final) 2nd edition adventure Die Venca Die!, you get to invade his palace. And it's amazing. About a half-dozen full-strength liches, vampire prostitutes, a rack loaded with dozens of intelligent weapons, and enough Vecna relics to replace most of your body parts. Good times.


Generic Villain wrote:
As for Venca, I loved him most as a Dark Lord of Ravenloft.

Wasn't that Azalin, not Vecna?


Nope, definitely Vecna. Azalin was there too of course, and had some adventures of his own, but Vecna was the real super lich of Ravenloft. He was stuck on a cruddy island, and only ruled half of it; the other half was ruled by (surprise!) Kas.


Generic Villain wrote:
Nope, definitely Vecna. Azalin was there too of course, and had some adventures of his own, but Vecna was the real super lich of Ravenloft. He was stuck on a cruddy island, and only ruled half of it; the other half was ruled by (surprise!) Kas.

Ah-hah! I only recall the "mainland" of Ravenloft. I only remember a few of those islands in the mist.

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