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Chelaxians are best known for their pride and ambition, possessing a sense of entitlement that has followed them through history. They tend to sneer upon savagery and respect strong authority. Quick to be offended and slow to forgive, Chelaxians hold grudges longer than most other humans.
So...they act like Americans? (I kid, I kid...and I'm American.)
Who's scruffy lookin'?
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Chelaxians are best known for their pride and ambition, possessing a sense of entitlement that has followed them through history. They tend to sneer upon savagery and respect strong authority. Quick to be offended and slow to forgive, Chelaxians hold grudges longer than most other humans.So...they act like Americans? (I kid, I kid...and I'm American.)
I was going to post an argumentative reply and then thought better of it. Insults aimed at any nation, even your own, are better avoided unless you want a debate and this isn't the best place for a debate.
And insults couched in humor are still insults.
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Well, americans dont really hold grudges, do we? i mean, yeah, we're racist, but look at the japanese and the germans. sixty years ago, our culture was geared up to hate them. now, we buy their tech, and watch their weird-ass cartoons, and play their games. the germans, we buy their cars.
the rest...sounds a bit familiar. but, honestly, they sound more like englishmen. I mean, not long ago, britain did kind of set out to rule the world, on the basis that they were brittish.
Dragons are best known for their pride and ambition, possessing a sense of entitlement that has followed them through history. They tend to sneer upon savagery and respect strong authority. Quick to be offended and slow to forgive, Dragons hold grudges longer than humans.
Dragons are best known for their pride and ambition, possessing a sense of entitlement that has followed them through history. They tend to sneer upon savagery and respect strong authority. Quick to be offended and slow to forgive, Dragons hold grudges longer than humans.
To be fair, they also live longer
Now which holds a grudge longer?A Dragon or a Lich?
Dragons are best known for their pride and ambition, possessing a sense of entitlement that has followed them through history. They tend to sneer upon savagery and respect strong authority. Quick to be offended and slow to forgive, Dragons hold grudges longer than humans.
Nah. Whites, Blacks and Reds love the occasional savagery.
but look at the germans.
I often do. Can't overlook them around here. The place is crawling with them. People call me a German. It isn't true, of course (I'm a Saarländer. The fact that it currently is part of Germany is irrelevant! ;-))
Anyway, I think there are so many nations and cultures on earth and in the depths of time, many who look down upon savagery, many who hold grudges, many who worship malignant powers. I'd say the Chellies pinched a little from here and there and combined it.
Now please excuse me, I'll have to summon a demon from the lower circles to see if he can help me get rid of those pests that border us on the north and east and northeast.
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Okay, the real-world comparisons end right now.Can we do historical RW comparisons? My impression of them is kind of Byzantine.
That's probably okay, as long as it isn't used as a proxy for modern politics or ethnicities.
Chelaxians are indeed a little Byzantine in feel. Also a little bit Roman. Or Hellenistic Greek. Basically, any of the ancient occidental and near-east empires that ruled vast swaths of land. :)
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Now which holds a grudge longer?
A Dragon or a Lich?
I think that a certain insane conservatism is inhierent in deciding to become a lich. This is as far as you'll go, and you're going to be happy staking this claim right here until the moon be no more.
Liches want things to stay the same. A vampire may be wistful about the past, but she'll still embrace the modern conveniences of the world, like those new-fangled horse collars, the political reality of the Moon Elves moving into the Trackless Woods, or Abier fusing with Toril. Liches want none of that.
Dragons hold grudges because they don't forget things, and long-simmering offenses and slights incur compounding interest. But dragons are amenable to restitution and reconciliation.
Liches hold grudges because they want to hold grudges. They are by their nature implacable. Forgiveness is for the living.
Now which holds a grudge longer?
A Dragon or a Lich?I think that a certain insane conservatism is inhierent in deciding to become a lich. This is as far as you'll go, and you're going to be happy staking this claim right here until the moon be no more.
Liches want things to stay the same. A vampire may be wistful about the past, but she'll still embrace the modern conveniences of the world, like those new-fangled horse collars, the political reality of the Moon Elves moving into the Trackless Woods, or Abier fusing with Toril. Liches want none of that.
Dragons hold grudges because they don't forget things, and long-simmering offenses and slights incur compounding interest. But dragons are amenable to restitution and reconciliation.
Liches hold grudges because they want to hold grudges. They are by their nature implacable. Forgiveness is for the living.
Hm, let's say a king ticked off a Red Dragon and a Lich.
I think the Dragon would raze the country then stop thinking about it.
I think a Lich would engineer the downfall of the kingdom and make sure that the next 10 generations of the King's lineage would live in abject misery before finally slaying them.
But that's just me.
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Hm, let's say a king ticked off a Red Dragon and a Lich.
I think the Dragon would raze the country then stop thinking about it.
I think a Lich would engineer the downfall of the kingdom and make sure that the next 10 generations of the King's lineage would live in abject misery before finally slaying them.But that's just me.
Works for me. In particular, I like the difficulty that a dragon has, distinguishing between the ruler and the country.
A vampire may be wistful about the past, but she'll still embrace the modern conveniences of the world, like those new-fangled horse collars, the political reality of the Moon Elves moving into the Trackless Woods, or Abier fusing with Toril. Liches want none of that.
That clashes with lots of vampire lore. I might know too much about Vampire: The Masquerade/Requiem, but vampires there are usually way behind on modern-day stuff. I think the reasoning was that change is part of life, and vampires don't live any more. It's the big drama about vampires. "Ooh, dear me, I'm so set in my ways. Everything moves so fast. I'm frustrated, and I can't even eat a bucket of ice cream to feel better. I think I'll eviscerate some bloke with my supernatural claws or boil the blood in his veins, that will make me feel better."
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Now which holds a grudge longer?
A Dragon or a Lich?I think that a certain insane conservatism is inhierent in deciding to become a lich. This is as far as you'll go, and you're going to be happy staking this claim right here until the moon be no more.
Liches want things to stay the same. A vampire may be wistful about the past, but she'll still embrace the modern conveniences of the world, like those new-fangled horse collars, the political reality of the Moon Elves moving into the Trackless Woods, or Abier fusing with Toril. Liches want none of that.
Dragons hold grudges because they don't forget things, and long-simmering offenses and slights incur compounding interest. But dragons are amenable to restitution and reconciliation.
Liches hold grudges because they want to hold grudges. They are by their nature implacable. Forgiveness is for the living.
And then there's mummies to consider. You do not want to piss off a mummy. They'll curse you until your dead ancestors feel it. And then they'll kill you, your family, and everyone who's ever been important to you.
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If I may veer off to the subject of the picture with the "Proud Chelaxian" article for just a moment, did anyone else notice how...um...organic the nice lady's piece of head/neckwear looked? Kind of crustacean/tentacle/[cough]Thrall-of-Aboleth[cough] looking?
Mayhap the Azlanti and their Chelaxian descandants stirred up some deep trouble in their prideful past. Just sayin'...
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And then they'll kill you, your family, and everyone who's ever been important to you.
That one's standard procedure, isn't it?
No, wait, it is: "Kill you, your family, and everyone you've ever known, so no one will ever remember you." I do that all the time.
Sharp-featured with dark hair, dark eyes, and pale skin, Chelaxians differ from their duskier Taldan cousins due to widespread intermixing with pale-skinned Ulfen raider-merchants in the distant past (from whom they also gained the legendary Chelaxian wrath).
I was intrigued by this. I kinda got worn out/bored in Living Greyhawk with constant squabbling between Suel, Olman, Baklunish and Oeridian.
I wonder about the modeling of racialist theories in fantasy settings. I understand it's all over the kind of source material Paizo is looking to (RE Howard, plups) but I kinda liked keeping all the racial stuff in terms of demi-humanity.
Is it just because this is a *fantasy* world than the Chelexian's gain their "wrath" from racial mixing with pale Ulfden raiders? Or will it inevitably meet comparisons with questions of inheritable (not CULTURAL) characteristics from our own social setting?
Or am I over-reading this, and its just stating that the mixing of the races also lead to cultural transfer?
Will there be any races that have a "happy children" trope?
Inscrutable? Decadent? A mysterious orient? Noble savages? Miserly? Tolerant of pederasty?
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but, honestly, they sound more like englishmen. I mean, not long ago, britain did kind of set out to rule the world, on the basis that they were brittish.
Confusing the British and the English, a sure way to get a Welshman riled up!
And a reminder that very few people really know enough about any culture beyond their own to make crass comparisons...
The Chelaxians sound like a certain vocal section of any Imperial People during their pomp. My first instinct was Roman, but that's because it's the imperial people I have studied the most.
The Chelaxians sound like a certain vocal section of any Imperial People during their pomp. My first instinct was Roman, but that's because it's the imperial people I have studied the most.Roman is more like what we were aiming for.
I was born in Rome in 32 B.C. and everyone on this thread is really hurting my feelings. Why not pick on the Carthaginians once in a while? It's not like they were Tony Curtis or anything.
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The Chelaxians sound like a certain vocal section of any Imperial People during their pomp. My first instinct was Roman, but that's because it's the imperial people I have studied the most.Roman is more like what we were aiming for.
I modeled many of my Chelaxian NPCs from the cast of HBO's Rome (Romans with British accents, natch) with a little Calvinist style. Add some production design from the first Dune movie and there you go.
Half of my players find them intimidating and snotty. The other half think they're hellish fun.
I modeled many of my Chelaxian NPCs from the cast of HBO's Rome (Romans with British accents, natch) with a little Calvinist style. Add some production design from the first Dune movie and there you go.Half of my players find them intimidating and snotty. The other half think they're hellish fun.
Whoa...that's brilliant. Cookie for this smurfin' smurf!
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I modeled many of my Chelaxian NPCs from the cast of HBO's Rome (Romans with British accents, natch) with a little Calvinist style. Add some production design from the first Dune movie and there you go.
Half of my players find them intimidating and snotty. The other half think they're hellish fun.
That's pretty awesome. :)
is there a second dune movie? i saw the first one in the theater