Perhaps only 10 out of sixty miniatures are good the rest are crappy cartoony mockeries of D&D monsters!
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Ok not buying minis again.
May change my opinions eventually but I seriosuly doubt it. They are some new kind of fugly. There are a few ok minis but generally the set looks pretty ridiculous. Seriously if this is the 4e approach to monster desing I may seriously consider avoiding the monster manual. Having said that the minis aren't always a particualrly accurate portrayal of the original monster look i.e. the beer bellied fang dragon.
I find the minis in this set very hit and miss... some I like alot... for instance I like the Dire Wolf much, much better then the earlier incarnation of that creature, and I like the shadow demon mini as well, several of normal human type minis are decent enough, and the vampire vizier is actually cool looking.... on the other hand many of the minis, especialy of the savage humaniods (orcs, gnolls, troglodytes) have changed so much as to not realy look much like thier previous counterparts (possibly a reflection of new forms for 4.0), the troglodyte in particular looks like a totaly different type of creature. This set is defeinatly a mixture of minis that are nice looking (IMO) and minis that are horrific.... and there are enough of the latter to make buying random packs an unattractive option... any minis that I buy from this set will likley be singles picked up online.
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Wow most of these really do look bad.
I know some of the pics are a little, but they still look awful.
They're choice of minitaures isn't the greatest either.
More dwarves? More human warriors? Why?
I know that this is a starter set but the older figs arent that hard to come by. I definitely wont be buying a box this time.
Night Below was the best looking set and it's gone steadily downhill fro there. Sad really
Your seeing sculpts of minis that probably match the art from the PHB, DMG, and MM for 4th edition. Basically the new set is a reimagining of the old monsters to fit the new descriptions. I'm sure future releases on miniatures will be more of the same.
This may seem like an odd statment, but do they seem more childish or kiddy than usual? Kind of like you would find they in a play castle set.
Just a thought
Fizz
This may seem like an odd statment, but do they seem more childish or kiddy than usual? Kind of like you would find they in a play castle set.
Just a thought
Fizz
Exactly like child toys for fisher price-The Troglodyte looks like he host a morning children learning program. The ettin looks like two Ken dolls from Barbie, The grick looks like I made it out of clay when I was three.
To be honest I don't really see any difference in quality compared to the other sets. Cheap, plastic minis are just that. Admittedly, some are more glaringly hideous than others (but there's usually a few in each set).
This would be my take as well. Some are pretty good, some are pretty bad but all in all looks pretty much the same quality as the other more recent sets. Nothing I have seen here seems particularly bad when compared to, say, Giants of Legend.
This would be my take as well. Some are pretty good, some are pretty bad but all in all looks pretty much the same quality as the other more recent sets. Nothing I have seen here seems particularly bad when compared to, say, Giants of Legend.To be honest I don't really see any difference in quality compared to the other sets. Cheap, plastic minis are just that. Admittedly, some are more glaringly hideous than others (but there's usually a few in each set).
Pretty decent on the whole, nothing that makes it worse than any other set. Thanks for linking.
Size creep for Dungeon of Dread is also bad, Most of the miniatures are hanging off their bases and do not work well on a battlemat..
Follow this link to see some really bad Giants of Legends miniatures
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Fire Titan/giant has feet of flames!WTF!!!
The Beholder just looks horrible- looks like the kind of monster the Powerpuff Girls would fight.
The quality seems no better or wrose IMHO.
The two biggest problems for this new set are:
#1- Resculpts. For those who have been collection D&D minis for a while now there are proactically no monsters in this set that are new releases. Kobold, Goblin, Troglodyte, Orc, Dire Wolf, Griffon, Ettin, Minotaur, Beholder, Large Red Dragon, Hook Horror, Large Silver Dragon, Death Knight, Vrock, Vampire, Grick, even a Bralani Eladrin!...The list goes on and on. All of these monsters already exist in miniature form. There are a handfull of new monsters at best. The monsterous centipede is the only classic monster we are gettign for the first time (well, theres the Lamia but see problem#2).
#2 - Some monsters have gotten facelists and look different in 4th edition. For those of us not plannign on switching these new versions are terrible. Angels have no legs and robot wings. Lamias are women that seem to be transforming into a swarm of bugs. Bulette are now large instead of huge. Hydras are also large insted of huge but have been changed to legless serpents. Archons are no longer celestials, they are elementals. Hook Horrors lost their bug shell (somethign they admitadly had only in 3rd editon).
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Meh, alot of it seems to be silly redesigns of monsters from other sets. It only bugs me because some of the redesigns were really cool minis in past sets (things like the grick, hook horror, large? Bulette, mind flayer, leap to my eye, though the wyvern, silver dragon and bugbear look pretty good).
I don't know, looks a set that'll have a few good singles to me.
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Exactly like child toys for fisher price-The Troglodyte looks like he host a morning children learning program. The ettin looks like two Ken dolls from Barbie, The grick looks like I made it out of clay when I was three.My First D&D?
Well, I did think that the sahuagan fig from the Deserts of Desolation set looked more like it was designed by Nick Park to be used in a Wallace and Grommit short...
I don't think all of the figs look that bad. The VERY uneven photos make it hard to call on a few. Several do, the grick is horrid! But some... the gargoyle, the Vrock, the yugoloth-ie type critters might look pretty sweet face-to-face. I'll probably pick up a set or two to test the waters. But I still think 4ed holds the appeal of getting a pair of soiled underwear in your Christmas stocking. Not what I wanted, not what I asked for...
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There are about as many miniatures that I actually want to own as usual in a set. For me, this is actually a major improvement on my expectations, since the official previews have been of a subset of miniatures that I like much less well than the average for the set.
After seeing these, I'm much more likely to buy a case than I was yesterday.
There are about as many miniatures that I actually want to own as usual in a set. For me, this is actually a major improvement on my expectations, since the official previews have been of a subset of miniatures that I like much less well than the average for the set.
After seeing these, I'm much more likely to buy a case than I was yesterday.
You better take another look. Btw look at the gapped seam on that wyvern, which looks like it lived on isle where the Wild things are...
Well, ever since Underdark (well, after Underdark), when they put that shoe guy in charge, the line went downhill.
Underdark was the pinnacle. There's commons from that area that look better than rares from early sets - or later sets.
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I think that I've finally seen enough of DDM to walk away. I've got about 50-60% of the figures from each set since Harbinger, and this last set has almost nothing that I want. A few singles and I'm done.
Sorry WotC, that's two sets in a row that have not been worth my while. One more and I'm going back to metal. ;)
The game is starting to look like Poke Mon.
"Howling Hag! I CHOOSE YOU!"
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I hope the new set sells as well as previous sets for WotC. The minis seem to be their big moneymaker under the D&D brand, and as long as the minis do well the brand does well, and as long as the brand does well, our friends in Renton get to keep their jobs and retain some control over the brand. If the brand starts to do poorly, though, I fear Pawtucket might get upset and incorporate the brand into its mainstream operations. That would be bad for everyone.
So I'm sure I'll buy a few of the minis from this set as singles via Paizo.com (my standard operating procedure). There are at least a couple I saw in there that looked worthy of my table. :)
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I hope the new set sells as well as previous sets for WotC. The minis seem to be their big moneymaker under the D&D brand, and as long as the minis do well the brand does well, and as long as the brand does well, our friends in Renton get to keep their jobs and retain some control over the brand. If the brand starts to do poorly, though, I fear Pawtucket might get upset and incorporate the brand into its mainstream operations. That would be bad for everyone.
So I'm sure I'll buy a few of the minis from this set as singles via Paizo.com (my standard operating procedure). There are at least a couple I saw in there that looked worthy of my table. :)
Um Mike so I should buy inferior product because WoTC's dark corporate masters might become upset? No offense, but I think it already is bad for everyone.
BTW shouldn't you be editing Second Darkness or something? Just kidding.
The game is starting to look like Poke Mon.
Hey now that's an insult to Pokemon.
Some of those Pokemon minis are pretty cool. ]; P
Maurice Sendak Where the Wild things are...
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I've purchased two cases of DDM for every set thay've had. I already decided with the 4e changes I would cease this practice (and spare having to add an extension onto my house).
Most of the minis in this new set I already have a nice version of, but there are a half dozen I'll get as singled from the Paizo store that don't look too bad. The rest are rather poor.
-DM Jeff
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Um Mike so I should buy inferior product because WoTC's dark corporate masters might become upset? No offense, but I think it already is bad for everyone.
No no. I'm saying that if there are a couple you like the looks of, you should buy the singles through Paizo.com. Because that's what I do and I'm totally a corporate shill. Or in this case, an LLC shill. ;D
I had the opportunity to look at this set up close and personal, and I stand by my "will buy a couple as singles" buying strategy. I will NOT be buying random boosters.
BTW shouldn't you be editing Second Darkness or something? Just kidding.
W3: Flight of the Red Raven, actually. And yes, I should get back to that. ;D
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Um Mike so I should buy inferior product because WoTC's dark corporate masters might become upset? No offense, but I think it already is bad for everyone.No no. I'm saying that if there are a couple you like the looks of, you should buy the singles through Paizo.com. Because that's what I do and I'm totally a corporate shill. Or in this case, an LLC shill. ;D
I had the opportunity to look at this set up close and personal, and I stand by my "will buy a couple as singles" buying strategy. I will NOT be buying random boosters.
BTW shouldn't you be editing Second Darkness or something? Just kidding.W3: Flight of the Red Raven, actually. And yes, I should get back to that. ;D
Every time I got a random booster I never got what I wanted, so ya I can see buying singles here. I can't resist the dragons. Well maybe that young green, it looks goofy. How come they butcher dragon design with each new edition?
I have to say that those D&D mini's look bad. You should also see the Star Wars miniatures that have come out since last summer (Alliance & Empire and later). They have the same problems, IMHO.
I don't know if they are using cheaper molds and painting, but they look very poor-quality compared to the older Star Wars miniatures packs I have. The paint in particular looks like it was slapped on in a hurry. >sigh<
Well maybe that young green, it looks goofy. How come they butcher dragon design with each new edition?
According to "Worlds and Monsters" all the classic dragons (that are still around of course..RIP Brass and Bronze) look the same.
Only the green was changed in appearance. It was because it looked to traditional. It was agreen and had bat wings and a lizard head and a fin on its head. They thought it was to booring so made it look like the doody you see now.
I actually really LIKED the green dragon BECAUSE it was the traditional looking one.
OH MY POOR Wyvern!!!! Oh what have you done to my Wyvern, that is hideous. I miss my 3.5 Wyvern.
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They're not very impressive at all, but I don't think they're any worse than the average mini over the last three years. At any rate, I have some seven hundred miniatures now...my wife has put her foot down, so I think I'm done with pre-painted. She told me, in fact, to take up drinking, smoking and cocaine in order to save money...
That green dragon is uuuuuggggggly.
They're not very impressive at all, but I don't think they're any worse than the average mini over the last three years. At any rate, I have some seven hundred miniatures now...my wife has put her foot down, so I think I'm done with pre-painted. She told me, in fact, to take up drinking, smoking and cocaine in order to save money...
LOL
I hope the new set sells as well as previous sets for WotC. The minis seem to be their big moneymaker under the D&D brand, and as long as the minis do well the brand does well, and as long as the brand does well, our friends in Renton get to keep their jobs and retain some control over the brand. If the brand starts to do poorly, though, I fear Pawtucket might get upset and incorporate the brand into its mainstream operations. That would be bad for everyone.
So I'm sure I'll buy a few of the minis from this set as singles via Paizo.com (my standard operating procedure). There are at least a couple I saw in there that looked worthy of my table. :)
Sadly based on the look I'm gonna pass this time around even though normally I buy a whole case. If they improve for the next set I'll consider buying again.
To be honest I don't really see any difference in quality compared to the other sets. Cheap, plastic minis are just that. Admittedly, some are more glaringly hideous than others (but there's usually a few in each set).
I don't buy particularly many of these things, but I'd concur - some looked quite decent, some looked like the usual common garbage.
I hope the new set sells as well as previous sets for WotC.
Why? Honestly, they stink. They're a lot worse than previous sets, so they sell previous sets.
And I'm not saying that as a wizards hater, I'm actually saying that as someone who wants those who still buy wizards minis to get decent stuff.
They keep making that stuff cheaper (in regards to production custs and effort), while the prices stay the same or go up actually.
If people don't buy less, they feel justified to keep lowering the quality.
The minis seem to be their big moneymaker under the D&D brand, and as long as the minis do well the brand does well, and as long as the brand does well, our friends in Renton get to keep their jobs and retain some control over the brand.
Since I'm not friends with anyone in Renton, I don't care if they all find themselves on the streets, especially if it's their own fault - they tried to sell people shoddy stuff, people didn't buy it, there are consequences.
I feel that noone should feel that they have to keep buying stuff that doesn't meed their standards just so that someone who's a complete stranger to them keeps his job.
If the brand starts to do poorly, though, I fear Pawtucket might get upset and incorporate the brand into its mainstream operations. That would be bad for everyone.
From where I stand, it can't get any worse: wizards has already convinced me never to buy from them again. Maybe if they change things, It might convince me to buy again.
Anyway, I won't be buying that stuff just to save the guys who insulted me.
I starting collecting DDM at about Archfiends, and have at least 2 complete sets from each release (and hundreds from each) and over six thousand of these little plastic suckers in total ... and sadly, I think this will be the first release that I may bypass completely. They're really pathetic, comparatively.
I don't like the design and concept changes, I don't like the mini selections, and I don't even like the paint jobs on the masters - so imagine what the real ones are going to look like. :(
At best I'll pick up some singles here or on ebay, maybe on the PC types to have a few more of those available for my players. But in all, I'm really disappointed in this set, and the direction the line has gone since Rob stopped managing it. This and the tiles are the only WotC products I buy anymore, and these ones now suck, which is a real bummer.
But in all, I'm really disappointed in this set, and the direction the line has gone since Rob stopped managing it
Yeah, I agree with that. Underdark was the best set in my opinion, and that was Rob's last set. The quality has been going up steadily up until then. But afterwards, things went downhill, and fast.
As far as I remember, every set after UD had its scandal. Wardrums was the first where the paint masters they showed us on posters and their site and the minis they actually shipped had huge differences. You could call it false advertising. Then there was the lousy distribution in Dragonqueen. One set after (I think), there was the really ugly marilith, and by the next set, the rares were often looking worse than Underdark commons, including the paintjobs.
Arrrrggg my eyes are burning. There's like five or six that are ok, the rest would look better melted down.
QFT...totally.
The quality seems no better or wrose IMHO.
The two biggest problems for this new set are:
#1- Resculpts. For those who have been collection D&D minis for a while now there are proactically no monsters in this set that are new releases. Kobold, Goblin, Troglodyte, Orc, Dire Wolf, Griffon, Ettin, Minotaur, Beholder, Large Red Dragon, Hook Horror, Large Silver Dragon, Death Knight, Vrock, Vampire, Grick, even a Bralani Eladrin!...The list goes on and on. All of these monsters already exist in miniature form. There are a handfull of new monsters at best. The monsterous centipede is the only classic monster we are gettign for the first time (well, theres the Lamia but see problem#2).
What the hell happened to the Lamia? Is this a joke?
These minis are so nasty they made right-guard turn left.
