Is power attack broken?


3.5/d20/OGL


I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

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Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

Yes and no. I think that more than anything it depends on who is playing the character.

Power Attack? Not broken. Although there are definitely certain combinations of feats, prestige classes, and weapons that can make it appear so.

Bard? No, but then not as powerful as many of the others.

Sorcerer? Yes it works for what it is meant to do.

Fighter? The fighter class is only as unbalanced as the feats.

Buff Spells? What does "better" mean? There were some buff spells that were pretty broken in 3.0 (haste immediately comes to mind). I feel that it is overall more balanced, but again there are always going to be something that comes up that changes that.

Prestige Classes? The work -- but can appear broken depending on combination of feats, classes, prestige classes, items, etc.


Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

I do not feel Power Attack is broken. While the damage out put from a two-handed weapon can be crazy, It is little use against high AC opponents or against opponents that can take advantage of the attackers (usually) lower AC (due to lack of a shield).

The Bard is good. He is a jack of all trades. This does mean he is weak when compared to the cleric (healing), wizard (offensive spells), or rogue (stealth/combat), but makes a good support character that can to a lot different things.

I am not happy with the sorcerer. Side by side, the wizard is stronger. A good wizard is going to be carrying scrolls of useful spells, many of which he can make himself. Even if he does not, the scroll collection alone almost negates the sorcerer's advantage of having extra spells that can cast per day.

The fighter cannot match the damage output of wizards at high levels, but the right feat selection can make them very dangerous nonetheless. Most fighter's in my campaigns tend to focus on taking out spellcasters or acting as blockers for the party's wizard or cleric.

I have to say buff spells work better under 3.5 for the most part.

Likewise, most prestige classes are fine. There is a level of power creep, but a lot of that is due to attempts to create presitge classes that offer the abilities of multiple base classes, IMHO.


Bard class is plain dumb.
"Move, move, move silently past the ogre bards..."


Boggle wrote:
I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

OK, but the thread title actually made me pass over it a fee times as it just screams flame bait.

Boggle wrote:
Is power attack broken

NO!! Sure, with the right combination of feats / prestige classes etc, you can deal some massive damage, (Try Leap Attacking Frenzied Berserkers with Shock Trooper), but in DnD hit point damage is the least effective method for taking down enemies.

Boggle wrote:
is the bard rubbish

Define "Rubbish." Can they fight? Not as well as a fighter. Can they sling spells? Not as well as a wizards. Can they heal? Not as well as a cleric. Are they skill monkeys? Not as good as the rogue. However, they are far and away the best 5th man for just about any adventuring party. I am in a campaign with a Bard, Druid, Barbarian, Wizard and Dervish. In combat the bard is perhaps a bit out shone by the others (but that is more to do with his Dragon Disciple levels than his bard levels). But out of combat, he more than makes up for it with the social side of things. In a 5 or more member party, I could definently see a Bard as an effective member, who more than pulls his weight both in and out of combat.

Boggle wrote:
Dos the sorcerer work

The sorcerer gets ninth level spells, so yes, they "work" in the sense that they are not mechanically underpowered. However, they are really too similar to the wizard in mechanics and flavour to "work" as having a different "feel" to the wizard. There are a few fixes floating around to bridge the mechanical gap, but the feel of them is all up to the player.

Boggle wrote:
Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Yes! It is by far one of the weaker classes (I would rather take monk or paladin straight to level 20 than fighter). The main problem is that feats don't scale. Compared to ANY full spell caster, they come out extremely sub par, and compared to the Druid or Cleric the fighter ends up in the fetal position sobbing on the floor. WotC recognized this, and releases the Tomb of Battle. The Warblade is almost everything the Fighter should have been, and with 2 levels of fighter is everything the fighter should be.

Boggle wrote:
Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

I have only been playing with 3.5 so can't really comment. But with the large number of additional spells that have been released (Spell Compendium etc), there are a myriad of buff spells that are quite powerful for their level (especially the Bite of the were___ spells).

Boggle wrote:
Whats your thoughts

I hope you can work them out by now :)

Boggle wrote:
Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

Again, define "work" I think (excepting the obviously broken ones [PLanar Shepherd I'm looking at you]) most of them are alright. The worst offenders are the PrCs that give full (ie 10/10) spellcasting progression, that take the strongest classes and make them stronger. If you PrC a spellcaster, it should cost you at least 1 spellcasting level.


Boggle wrote:


Is power attack broken

Very doubtful.

Boggle wrote:
is the bard rubbish

You may rely on it.

Boggle wrote:
Dos the sorcerer work

Concentrate and ask again.

Boggle wrote:
Is the fighter class unbalanced?

My sources say no.

Boggle wrote:
Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Better not tell you now.

Boggle wrote:

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

Reply hazy, try again.


Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

No, no, yes, no, they work just the same.

ps - prestige classes work

As ever,
ACE


Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

No, No, Yes, No, Dunno, Maybeb

Powerattack is the problem, leap attack frenzied berserking direwerebear's are. [edit forgot shocktrooper damn]
The Bard is great for the player who doesn't want to Niche it up, problem is they tend to focus on trying to be awesome, instead of helping others which is what they are made for (like said above,awesome 5th man)

yeah Sorcerer works in comparison to everything but wizard,

Yeah Fighter is unbalanced, but then again a class that focuses on something that everyone is good at in DnD(Fighting) is bound to be, notice the rumours of differentiated Base Attack being gone in 4th edition.

PrC:

I think they work Great, as a method of player empowerment and advancement

I think they suck as a method of story empowerment,reward, or advanceement. But you should have seen this coming really.

But no really, I need a mechahnical benefit for belonging to this ic group I mean they are the best at what they do and that obviously means that they are mechanically better, not that they enjoy a special sitation, background, or perchant for doing X that makes them better.


Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

no. a player can only do as much extra damage as they sacrifice from their base attack bonus up to their max. Essentially just swinging wildly.

is the bard rubbish

Yes...yes it is. It trys to do too many things at once and fails horribly at doing so.

Does the sorcerer work

As well as the the wizard works.

Is the fighter class unbalanced

Yes... unbalanced in the direction of sucking. At higher levels the figther can barely keep up with the cleric, druid, wizard, and basically any other class with spells.

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Buff spells are always usefull...especially if casted by a cleric.


Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

I'm not boggle - but I'll answer anyway.

No, power attack is not broken.
No, Bards are not rubbish.
No, Sorcerer's don't work, they're too pretty.
No, the fighter class isn't unbalanced.
No, buff spells do not work better now (on the presumption that "better" equals "more powerful")


Boggle wrote:

I thought you might look so i am asking several questions

Is power attack broken

is the bard rubbish

Dos the sorcerer work

Is the fighter class unbalanced?

Do buff spells work better now or in the past.

Whats your thoughts

Ps prestigue classes in my view do they work no

Power attack - not broken, just a bit fiddly

Bard - not rubbish, just difficult to play well; people try to make it something it isn't and don't try to play to what it could be

Sorcerer - what do you mean by 'work'?

Fighter - unbalanced in that it's not very good except as a 'dip' class

buff spells - again, define "work better", please

Prestige Classes - "Work" in what way?

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