4th edition why?


3.5/d20/OGL


I cannot understand why wizards want to change almost everything when they have a fantastic set of mechanics right now.
Dont get me wrong there are still some issues however its very difficult to fault it to be honest.
I think the combat if played fast rarther than a chess match is excellent. The magic system has always worked well and has stood the test of time.
You could discuss the leveling system till your blue in the face however thats d&d.
Other than money why change any thoughts?


Boggle wrote:

I cannot understand why wizards want to change almost everything when they have a fantastic set of mechanics right now.

Dont get me wrong there are still some issues however its very difficult to fault it to be honest.
I think the combat if played fast rarther than a chess match is excellent. The magic system has always worked well and has stood the test of time.
You could discuss the leveling system till your blue in the face however thats d&d.
Other than money why change any thoughts?

Yeah - your on the wrong section of the board. Go to the correct section of the board and you'll have lots of thoughts to discuss. More then any lone human can manage really.


Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:
Boggle wrote:

I cannot understand why wizards want to change almost everything when they have a fantastic set of mechanics right now.

Dont get me wrong there are still some issues however its very difficult to fault it to be honest.
I think the combat if played fast rarther than a chess match is excellent. The magic system has always worked well and has stood the test of time.
You could discuss the leveling system till your blue in the face however thats d&d.
Other than money why change any thoughts?
Yeah - your on the wrong section of the board. Go to the correct section of the board and you'll have lots of thoughts to discuss. More then any lone human can manage really.

Don't worry. It'll likely be moved soon. Then, that means I won't be providing my---unusually helpful tips. That's because some cute little golem came with some note saying:

'Stick to the Off-Topic spots. That's an order!'
Whoops, breaking the rules...


mother


" It's back kill it, kill it now!"


A evil leprechaun appears! wrote:
" It's back kill it, kill it now!"

Can we film it while you kill it?


Watch it, evil appearing Irish fey!


Boggle wrote:

I cannot understand why wizards want to change almost everything when they have a fantastic set of mechanics right now.

Dont get me wrong there are still some issues however its very difficult to fault it to be honest.
I think the combat if played fast rarther than a chess match is excellent. The magic system has always worked well and has stood the test of time.
You could discuss the leveling system till your blue in the face however thats d&d.
Other than money why change any thoughts?

Money is a sufficient justification. What's wrong with money?!?!!

Money, money, money!

MONEY!

I love money, yes I do!

Money, money, money!!!

Dollars!

Bling!!!

Moolah!!!!

Cash!!!!!

We are living in a material world, and I am a material CEO....

Seriously - you don't even need to buy the new rules set. Just mail me hundred dollar bills. Is that so hard?


*knock, knock*

Who's there?

Spoiler:

MONEY!


DATELINE NBC wrote:


Can we film it while you kill it?

Dateline NBC, are you underage and sexy? Can I come over?


The Jade wrote:
DATELINE NBC wrote:


Can we film it while you kill it?

Dateline NBC, are you underage and sexy? Can I come over?

Dateline NBC, RUN! the calls are coming FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!


LOL


Not to worry, Dateline NBC. This wolf is my nemesis. I'll take care of 'em!
*Whacks wolf again*


Thanks for the whacking. I lick choom all friendly like. See? We can get along.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Not to worry, Dateline NBC. This wolf is my nemesis. I'll take care of 'em!

*Whacks wolf again*

If you succeed in killing the beast, I'd pay handsomely for its pelt...


I am legend. And apparently a collectible.


The Jade wrote:
I am legend. And apparently a collectible.

And you will make a lovely rug to sit around the base of the toilet in my servant's servant's servants quarters.


Sebastian, CEO of Hasbro wrote:

And you will make a lovely rug to sit around the base of the toilet in my servant's servant's servants quarters.

Ah, but as Confuse-us once said, "The servant of the servant of the servant is the true master. And the toilet rug his sceptre."


Sebastian, CEO of Hasbro wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Not to worry, Dateline NBC. This wolf is my nemesis. I'll take care of 'em!

*Whacks wolf again*
If you succeed in killing the beast, I'd pay handsomely for its pelt...

*Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*

Liberty's Edge

Sebastian, CEO of Hasbro wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Not to worry, Dateline NBC. This wolf is my nemesis. I'll take care of 'em!

*Whacks wolf again*
If you succeed in killing the beast, I'd pay handsomely for its pelt...

How much you gimme a wolf pelt? If I skin myself it grows back.

How bout a kidney?


Heathansson wrote:


How much you gimme a wolf pelt? If I skin myself it grows back.
How bout a kidney?

Sorry pal, I don't truck with you angsty save-the-earth hippy wolves. Go tell it to Gaia.


Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Sebastian, CEO of Hasbro wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Not to worry, Dateline NBC. This wolf is my nemesis. I'll take care of 'em!

*Whacks wolf again*
If you succeed in killing the beast, I'd pay handsomely for its pelt...
*Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*

Um... er, thanks? <:\

Liberty's Edge

If you can't do manual, you don't truck at all.


That's what I'm sayin'.


Lord Sebastian: Was your deposal of Lady Stevens to usurp her position a bloodless coup, or a messy affair?

And did I catch you making a clever reference to one of Abba's better known songs earlier in this thread?


I hope he means the "MONEY MONEY MONEY" reference because merely mentioning the name Fernando gives me the willies.

See? There they are now.


The Jade wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Sebastian, CEO of Hasbro wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Not to worry, Dateline NBC. This wolf is my nemesis. I'll take care of 'em!

*Whacks wolf again*
If you succeed in killing the beast, I'd pay handsomely for its pelt...
*Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*
Um... er, thanks? <:\

Your welcome.

*Whack whack whack whack whack whack*
This oughta take a while...


I'll close my eyes.


The Jade wrote:
I'll close my eyes.

You might wanna sit down, too...

*Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*


You're the boss.


The Jade wrote:
You're the boss.

Excellent. Now do my evil bidding, slave!


The Jade wrote:
Ah, but as Confuse-us once said, "The servant of the servant of the servant is the true master. And the toilet rug his sceptre."
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
*Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*

Stop whacking your sceptre in the servant's bathroom.

Remember if Mel Brooks taught us one thing it is that the servant waits while the master baits - the wolf that is.

;)
GGG


I dunno, the whole I don't play the last 5 levels (or more) because the math gets in the way of having a good time comes to mind.

and grapple, cannai forge grappa now can we


Great Green God wrote:
...Stop whacking your sceptre in the servant's bathroom...

NEVER!!! I refuse!


Great Green God wrote:
The Jade wrote:
Ah, but as Confuse-us once said, "The servant of the servant of the servant is the true master. And the toilet rug his sceptre."
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
*Whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack whack*

Stop whacking your sceptre in the servant's bathroom.

Remember if Mel Brooks taught us one thing it is that the servant waits while the master baits - the wolf that is.

;)
GGG

LOL! Sharp as a gladius, you are.


Charles Evans 25 wrote:
Lord Sebastian: Was your deposal of Lady Stevens to usurp her position a bloodless coup, or a messy affair?

That's a good question Charles and a common misperception. Though I am CEO of Hasbro, which owns WotC, I currently have no control over those unstoppable rebels at Paizo. Believe me, if I were to run Paizo, things would be very different. I'd change all their adventures to my new Super Delve format, which is actually just a linear narrative explaining what happens to your characters in the adventure. We realized that making choices is what really slows down the game, so by eliminating that aspect, we've found that D&D is a much better experience.

Of course, the real genius is that on the third page of every single adventure, the characters die. Which is why I would also relaunch the Magic Item cards to contain the exclusive means of raising the dead under the core rules. This innovative product will result in you buying the adventures, and then having to buy 10-20 raise dead cards per adventure.

Genius, I say, genius.

Combined with our new $20 for a 20, where you pay us $20 and we issue a certificate to your DM which must be treated in all ways as a natural 20 on an actual rolled die, and you can see how we will transform the way you play D&D.

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

And did I catch you making a clever reference to one of Abba's better known songs earlier in this thread?

We at Hasbro actually own that song, so yes, in a way you are correct.


My apologies. I was half asleep, and mistook the company of which you stated that you are CEO. The $20 for a twenty news is very interesting. May I recommend that you place it on the 'rumours concerning 4th edition thread'? I'm certain that a post to that effect by a prominent board member of Hasbro might cause considerable debate. (Though it might make things difficult around here for those posters who try to defend your company, I fear.)


4th edition why?
The smurf answer:
Because if you read between the lines of that official 3.0/3.5 source, Book of Exalted Deeds, an absolute triumph of evil (if achieved) will be PERMENANT, whereas an absolute triumph of good can only ever be TEMPORARY!

A game where this is the end result is clearly undesirabe (in marketing terms, given the need to project a moral family friendly image) which is why 4.0 must be rushed out at once!!! (The opportunity for marketing to say 'look: we're getting rid of at least half the evil outsiders in our game system is also a potential major publicity coup, if they actually stop to explain to the general public exactly what an evil outsider is.)


Charles Evans 25 wrote:

4th edition why?

The ----- answer:
Because if you read between the lines of that official 3.0/3.5 source, Book of Exalted Deeds, an absolute triumph of evil (if achieved) will be PERMENANT, whereas an absolute triumph of good can only ever be TEMPORARY!

A game where this is the end result is clearly undesirabe (in marketing terms, given the need to project a moral family friendly image) which is why 4.0 must be rushed out at once!!! (The opportunity for marketing to say 'look: we're getting rid of at least half the evil outsiders in our game system is also a potential major publicity coup, if they actually stop to explain to the general public exactly what an evil outsider is.)

Oh no! -------! ATTACK!!!!!

EDIT: Oh, great, my spelling triggers it now...

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