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If you take TWF as a rogue with sneak attack, and you flank some guy, do you get two attacks with a sneak attack bonus damage dice on each of those attacks?
Yes. You get sneak attack damage on every attack roll that meets the qualifications for sneak attack. If you have TWF, are flanking, and take a full attack, you get sneak attack damage on each attack roll that hits.
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If you take TWF as a rogue with sneak attack, and you flank some guy, do you get two attacks with a sneak attack bonus damage dice on each of those attacks? And if so, is that kinda boucoup bogus?
I think it sounds nifty, but I don't want to be munchkiny; I'm not often playing a rogue.
OK. I'll be the ignoramus.....what is TWF??
If you move only 5' or less you get a full attack. If you move more than that you only get one attack twf or not.
If you can line up a full attack with sneak attack, you deserve it on all attacks.
But can't you make a second attack with your off hand weapon even if you move more than the 5-foot step? Wouldn't that also get the sneak attack?
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But can't you make a second attack with your off hand weapon even if you move more than the 5-foot step? Wouldn't that also get the sneak attack?If you move only 5' or less you get a full attack. If you move more than that you only get one attack twf or not.
If you can line up a full attack with sneak attack, you deserve it on all attacks.
You can't attack with the second weapon if you move more than 5'. Attacking more than once with TWF is a full round action.
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Cool. I'm doing a rogue now on a pbp, and I'm just trying to rehash the big four and learn how to play the classes well.
I used to do straight fighter, power attack-cleave-etc...and I think I own with that build pretty righteously, but I want to try new and different things.
Try Complete Scoundrel as a way to "mix it up" for a rogue. For Visoka (over on Jason Bulmahn DMs Eberron), I took the Acrobatic Backstab trick...a successful Tumble through an enemy's space leaves that enemy flatfooted for your next attack that turn. Prereq. is Tumble 12. Visoka's tumbling increased exponentially. ;)
Bah. Two-weapon fighting. That's not even trying. Take a race with at least 6 arms (okay, 4 if you want to be a lousy munchkin), multiweapon fighting, and sneak attack away. ;-)
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My spellstalker is getting used to his 1d6 sneak attack. He is still learning precision damamge both with the bow and the rapier. The first time he hit with the bow and did 10 points, I went 'whoa, crap!' since too few crits are being dished out.
Sneak attack is an art, like setting up an elaborate gambit in chess.
Cool. Thanks.
So, therein lies the challenge. ;)
That and actually hitting. Rogues don't get a lot of increases to their BAB at the best of times and don't ex1actly have feats coming out the wazoo. I suspect that TWF sounds better in theory then it actually turns out to be in practice.
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Cool. Thanks.
So, therein lies the challenge. ;)That and actually hitting. Rogues don't get a lot of increases to their BAB at the best of times and don't ex1actly have feats coming out the wazoo. I suspect that TWF sounds better in theory then it actually turns out to be in practice.
Yeah, I'll see. I also took weapon finesse, and have a good dex...and it's Dark Sun, so armor's not too much of a problemmo. I just feel good that I'm not Captain Munchkinstabber.
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My spellstalker is getting used to his 1d6 sneak attack. He is still learning precision damamge both with the bow and the rapier. The first time he hit with the bow and did 10 points, I went 'whoa, crap!' since too few crits are being dished out.
Sneak attack is an art, like setting up an elaborate gambit in chess.
I feel the same way about my cleric in Aubrey's Eberron campaign....
I am in a group of six, with three hirelings, and aside from a warforged paladin, who needs to lay on hands himself, I and my healing wand am it for healing. It's tricky at times.I'm 4th level, and have yet to hit one single time in actual combat; he's the weakest combatant I've ever created. I did so purposely because the other characters have combat extremely handled.
Yeah, I'll see. I also took weapon finesse, and have a good dex...and it's Dark Sun, so armor's not too much of a problemmo. I just feel good that I'm not Captain Munchkinstabber.Cool. Thanks.
So, therein lies the challenge. ;)That and actually hitting. Rogues don't get a lot of increases to their BAB at the best of times and don't ex1actly have feats coming out the wazoo. I suspect that TWF sounds better in theory then it actually turns out to be in practice.
Well you might do OK against the humanoids in Darksun but iirc all the animals in that campaign are actually insects with huge carapaces.
You want to be ridiculous, use the class variant from Unearthed Arcana that suggests trading fighter bonus feats for sneak attack. Hello TWFer with full attack bonus and sneak attack progression. ^_^
Or even better, a Rogue / Swashbuckler with the feat Daring Outlaw from Complete Scoundrel (Swashbuckler and Rogue levels stack for sneak attack).
If you take 4 levels of rogue, you only lose one BAB, and you will have full sneak attack, free Weapon Finesse, Insightful Strike, Uncanny Dode, Evasion, and the other Swashbuckler "goodies." That's the quintessential sneak attacker.
Somehow, I doubt his DM would be that flexible...
I thought we were just throwing random thoughts out.
It's a "joke grenade." ;)
Pff. You want a TWF sneak attack build? Ninja, ninja, ninja. You ensure availability of your sudden strike for a full round, and invisibility gives a +2 bonus to attack in addition to your flat-footed attack mods.
Pff. You want a TWF sneak attack build? Ninja, ninja, ninja. You ensure availability of your sudden strike for a full round, and invisibility gives a +2 bonus to attack in addition to your flat-footed attack mods.
The weak point here is that Ninja's can't flank. Invisibility suffers from the fact that there are about a million ways to counter it. Furthermore, by the time one gets into the higher levels, you can pretty much bet your neighbors farm that just about every encounter will be with something that has a way to counter invisible enemies. Anything that does not have such a counter is in much more danger from flying invisible archers or mages then it is from invisible Ninja's.
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You want to be ridiculous, use the class variant from Unearthed Arcana that suggests trading fighter bonus feats for sneak attack. Hello TWFer with full attack bonus and sneak attack progression. ^_^I am having trouble finding this. This is in UA?
Indeed. Also in the SRD. The half-orc with the mummy shield actually uses it in Entombed with the Pharoahs.
One of the things I like so much about Paizo's stuff is their willingness to use those options in their material...
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Pff. You want a TWF sneak attack build? Ninja, ninja, ninja. You ensure availability of your sudden strike for a full round, and invisibility gives a +2 bonus to attack in addition to your flat-footed attack mods.
I was thinking about it, but it's Dark Sun, and I didn't want to answer the question "why is there a ninja on Dark Sun?"
Not that there's anything wrong with that....McArtor, I'm looking at you....
surely you shouldnt get sneak attack beyond the first attack? otherwise i know a certain arcane trickster with telekinesis who will get 11 attacks each doing an additional 4d6 sneak attack damage in adition to all the normal stuff! that really would get out of hand fast!
If you move only 5' or less you get a full attack. If you move more than that you only get one attack twf or not.
If you can line up a full attack with sneak attack, you deserve it on all attacks.