At what point in his backstory was Harsk first level?
Did he do all that giant killing before he was a first level character?
Who said he had to be first level?At what point in his backstory was Harsk first level?
Did he do all that giant killing before he was a first level character?
The other iconics that I have seen are statted up at different levels as the AP unfolds. Will Harsk be different? I'm looking forward to seeing how he will be put together. I still don't think Pathfinder should allocate space to pre-gens, but I really like dwarfs.
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The other iconics that I have seen are statted up at different levels as the AP unfolds. Will Harsk be different?Who said he had to be first level?At what point in his backstory was Harsk first level?
Did he do all that giant killing before he was a first level character?
I doubt it; he'll prolly be the same way for the second AP. I think of it more like Harsk has nothing to do with the adventures, but is presented as a pre-gen character to a. give new players an idea of what a character looks like b. show the character's progression in his career that may or may not involve the elements of the AP (I sincerely doubt Harsk would get involved in a city campaign, anyways) and c. to avoid the clamouring of fans to see a write up of the Pathfinder iconics as they did the Dungeon iconics.
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Harsk is going to be a pregen for the next A.P., the current group (although the covers take more liberty) are the Seoni, Valeros, Kyra and Merisiel.
Allthough you'll probably see the next group's first sign of stats in a gamemastery module.
And yeah, a lot of giant killing for a level 1 character but then again I've seen character backgrounds that have more history before level 1 than they would have had if they would be sent through RotR or any other AP
Harsk is our iconic ranger and will be one of the pre-gen characters for Curse of the Crimson throne, along with Ezren and two more super cool characters you'll be seeing soon.
At what point in his backstory was Harsk first level?
Did he do all that giant killing before he was a first level character?
We're using World of Darkness rules to stat up Harsk, so level really doesn't matter. :P
Haha! Actually, I just imagined the responses we would get from our fiction writers if we were like "Yeah, give this dude an awesome back story, but make sure he doesn't do anything that might give him more than 1,000 XP."
Haha! Actually, I just imagined the responses we would get from our fiction writers if we were like "Yeah, give this dude an awesome back story, but make sure he doesn't do anything that might give him more than 1,000 XP."
Well, yeah, but now imagine the responses from potential players when they read their character's backstory and think "Cool!", then read their stats to find that they are a third level ranger* and can't get close to a giant without getting smushed.
*third level being a randomly chosen level used for example only.
Forget the backstory .... look at the amount of gear he's luggin' around.
What's his tactical movement rate? 5 ft/round due to encumbrance?
Has he got a ballista and a trebouchet in his pack too?
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Forget the backstory .... look at the amount of gear he's luggin' around.
What's his tactical movement rate? 5 ft/round due to encumbrance?
Has he got a ballista and a trebouchet in his pack too?
He's a dwarf! His speed is always 20ft. per round! Heh.
I'm wondering whether or not this was intentional, now.
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Well, yeah, but now imagine the responses from potential players when they read their character's backstory and think "Cool!", then read their stats to find that they are a third level ranger* and can't get close to a giant without getting smushed.
Haha! Actually, I just imagined the responses we would get from our fiction writers if we were like "Yeah, give this dude an awesome back story, but make sure he doesn't do anything that might give him more than 1,000 XP."
I see the pregens as characters that can be inserted at any time to replace a fallen party member without forcing someone to re-roll stats. I use these backstories as what would be his backstory, if he did not go upon the adventure the PCs are using. so the lvl 1 version might be as he's tinkering with his crossbow, before he is a master scout. Obviously he has giants as a favored enemy, but it looks like this wasn't the case until his brother was slain, and there for most likely his 2nd or 3rd favored enemy. That is my take on the story at least. So looking at it the 1st level would have regular crossbow/axe 3rd would have MW crossbow(after he's done tinkering) and whatever the third adventure is would have his brothers axe (magic?) and possible upgrades to his crossbow (improving crit range maybe?) and favored enemy:giant
Would he get *that* much experience for a simple coup de grace that kills them one-by-one as they sleep? I can still see how he might still be 1st level, easily. Valeros' background mentioned that he spent years adventuring and travelling with a merc band before finally hitting first level. Ezren appears to be the same way. If they're developing these as the next four iconics for CotCT, and the next AP starts everyone at first level, I'd assume they'd all be stated for 1st level unless told otherwise.
With his brother's blood still fresh on his hands, Harsk went mad with rage. That night, he stalked through the giants' camp like a vengeful wraith, slaughtering giant after giant with his crossbow before melting back into the forest, only to reappear elsewhere and take another victim. When the last giant was left gurgling in the dust,
There's no indication that he killed the giants as they slept. If they were asleep he wouldn't have had to keep melting back into the forest between kills.
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With his brother's blood still fresh on his hands, Harsk went mad with rage. That night, he stalked through the giants' camp like a vengeful wraith, slaughtering giant after giant with his crossbow before melting back into the forest, only to reappear elsewhere and take another victim. When the last giant was left gurgling in the dust,
There's no indication that he killed the giants as they slept. If they were asleep he wouldn't have had to keep melting back into the forest between kills.
Are giants supposedly nocturnal? Because it does say it was night. And given that they "gurgle in the dust" after being killed, I'd say that he might well have had to slip away for a bit to come at it from a different angle.
We also don't know how many there were, nor how badly wounded Sigur's band left them ('cause you know a giant warband wouldn't have had much healing available...). He might have killed some with coups de grace, and simply shot the others. Given that he undoubtedly does 1d10+4 per shot, if his hide bonuses were up to the challenge, he might well have just sniped his way through the last few...
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Harsk's backstory is more flavor than anything else; it's there to establish his personality and character and motivation.
For a more technical, using the rules method... note that if Harsk is 1st level, he DOESN'T gain any XP for defeating creatures of CR 11 or higher (which it's easy to assume these giants were). A 1st level character who defats CR 11 monsters does so more out of luck than anything else.
Harsk's backstory is more flavor than anything else; it's there to establish his personality and character and motivation.
For a more technical, using the rules method... note that if Harsk is 1st level, he DOESN'T gain any XP for defeating creatures of CR 11 or higher (which it's easy to assume these giants were). A 1st level character who defats CR 11 monsters does so more out of luck than anything else.
I was under the impression that the giants in question were actually ogres (CR3). You've repeatedly called ogres giants throughout threads regarding Pathfinder 3.
I'm used to seeing newish players produce incredibly overwrought backstories for their first level characters the first few times they have to actually come up with backstories. This just seemed like an example of that that and out of place with the other iconic backgrounds that I have read.
When are we going to get a gnome iconic?
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I was under the impression that the giants in question were actually ogres (CR3). You've repeatedly called ogres giants throughout threads regarding Pathfinder 3.
I'm used to seeing newish players produce incredibly overwrought backstories for their first level characters the first few times they have to actually come up with backstories. This just seemed like an example of that that and out of place with the other iconic backgrounds that I have read.
When are we going to get a gnome iconic?
Ogres ARE giants. Just like wyverns are dragons and goblins are humanoids. In my opinion, having the giant type means I get to call you a giant. :)
The gnome iconic will be coming next year, in any event...
The whole concept of starting at first level always seemed convoluted to me anyway. Hit points seemed arbitrary (getting hit doesn't necessarily mean actually getting *hit* -- i.e. arm cut, armor pierced, etc.). The backstory and/ or prelude should be detailed but not TOO detailed.
Regarding the Stone Giants, even at Flat-Footed, that means that at first level, Harsk can practically only hit on a very high roll. (As Mr. Jacobs mentions: luck)
On the other hand this is the kind of farce that's part and parcel with D&D sans a laundry list of houserules. Akin to watching a science-fiction movie and restraining yourself from asking how the writers' leap of scientific logic could explain what happens, many elements of D&D likewise is best enjoyed without asking troublesome questions. A kind-of "suspension of belief" is required. In a sense, you don't play D&D for the realistic rules. Does Harsk have a good backstory: yes. Is it plausible: *possible.* Do the numbers add up: don't ask.
;-p
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For a more technical, using the rules method... note that if Harsk is 1st level, he DOESN'T gain any XP for defeating creatures of CR 11 or higher (which it's easy to assume these giants were). A 1st level character who defats CR 11 monsters does so more out of luck than anything else.
Thats no fun though! and I could see this rule being the case 1 on one... but defeating a warband of them is no longer a david and Goliath lucky critical. Even if they are already wounded....
