What issues of Dragon or maybe Dungeon was the Black Cauldron in? I have it, but I just can’t find it.
And on that note has anyone used anything from it?
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I thought it was kinda cool.
i believe that it is in The Useless Issue, an issue that I got little from. Thus, I forget the number, but I think it was the one with Pazuzu (okay, so there were two handy things. Sue me).
It's in the Astrology issue, #340.
It's in the Astrology issue, #340.
Oh yeah! i liked that issue!
I don't have that issue... is this article connected to Lloyd Alexander's The Black Cauldron? I just finished reading the book to my daughter. It really drove home how badly Disney mangled it when they made the movie.
Yep. Two more examples: Wizard of Oz (wow they really mangled that movie!) and Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats of NIMH (that was the worst. The Wizard of Oz movie was still kinda good, but this movie... known as The Secret of NIMH. Plegh!)
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Yep. Two more examples: Wizard of Oz (wow they really mangled that movie!) and Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats of NIMH (that was the worst. The Wizard of Oz movie was still kinda good, but this movie... known as The Secret of NIMH. Plegh!)
Neither of those were Disney, but if you are really looking for books where the movie was nothing like them check out Shrek and Blade Runner. Both of those have almost nothing to do with the books.
Run the Black Cauldron adventure mixed with the adventure thread for Dagon and you have some great spine tingling adventure threads :)
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Yeah, but all those movies were still decent even if they didn't hold to the books.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that they were bad movies, just that they were radically different to the books. (Which isn't always a bad thing.)
Watched Black Cauldron again recently. It was worse than I remembered it. Regardless of following the book, it was poorly compiled as a movie. Maybe slightly better than the D&D movies though.
Yep. Two more examples: Wizard of Oz (wow they really mangled that movie!) and Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats of NIMH (that was the worst. The Wizard of Oz movie was still kinda good, but this movie... known as The Secret of NIMH. Plegh!)Neither of those were Disney, but if you are really looking for books where the movie was nothing like them check out Shrek and Blade Runner. Both of those have almost nothing to do with the books.Yeah, but all those movies were still decent even if they didn't hold to the books -- Blade Runner's style practically defined sci-fi for a good 20 years. Rewatched Wizard of Oz last week and, despite the lame ending, it holds up absolutely great as a fantasy movie a half-century later.
Shrek was almost funny enough to forgive the godawful dreck of the sequels (but not quite). Secrets of Nimh was an early-studio effort. It's not very good but they still had the training wheels on.
The Black Cauldron, though -- THAT sucked. Even Disney thinks so, though they explain it by noting that they were in a generational shift at the time. For a studio that prides itself on strong villains to botch the Horned King so terribly -- it's just mystifying.
Really? I thought THE SECRET OF NIMH was Disney!
oh well, it still sucked, at least in my opinion. They made a good guy into a villian, when the 'villain' wasn't even there. Then they had the villian who was never there kill a guy who would otherwise live! Then they had the villain who was never there get killed by a guy who didn't exist! And I won't even get started on the sequel!I have thankfully never watched THE BLACK CAULDRON, and I don't plan to. I've read the books, and I don't want them ruined for me. I'm not watching ERAGON, either. His hair was BROWN, for the thrice-cursed time!!!
Whoo! sorry 'bout that rant.
I think I'll just leave now...
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I don't object to film-makers taking some artistic freedom, but when they butcher something to the point that it is no longer recognizable or essentially contradict the central message of the source material, then they should no longer claim that it is based on the supposed source. The Black Cauldron was a loose amalgamation of two different books, either of which could have held up as a movie on its own. This left them with way too much material to fit into the movie with any kind of satisfying conclusion, so they created their own version that totally sucked the significance out of the original endings.
Made me angrier than when they made an EarthSea movie (or was it a miniseries?) full of white people.
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Secret of Nimh, btw, was by Don Bluth, a Disney animator who left the fold. He worked on a couple of pictures between the studio's great periods — the Rescuers, Robin Hood, etc.The Secret of Nimh was one of his better post-disney efforts, sadly. He was also director for Titan A.E., a film so bad that it sank Fox's entire animation studio.
I'd rate Titan: A.E. as underappreciated, not bad. It was an interesting film, and a far cry better than the cookie-cutter Disney efforts in terms of story and plotting. The movie was received with mixed but mostly positive reviews, and the box-office failure is generally considered to be a result of poor marketing/targeting (it was a bit heavy fare for a young audience, and not advertised as animation for adults.
Also, considering Fox Animation only released two films in theatres, it really never made a go at it as a studio at all. Once success (Anastasia), one flop (Titan, A.E.), one direct to video.
You see, I really enjoy these movies (even Titan A.E. since it had some great one-liners) but then again, I never read the books. Hmmmmmm, I guess I have some reading to do.....**goes off to add books to christmas list **
His hair was BROWN, for the thrice-cursed time!!!Haven't read the books yet, but someone else mentioned this same thing MANY, MANY, MANY times. Just curious why the character's hair color was such an important part of the book. Seems like a pretty silly nit-pick to me.Seriously. Movies can and even should put their own stamp on a work, not be slaves to the original source. To do otherwise is to veer into triteness like Chris Columbus' Harry Potter films, which may as well be an audiobook for all the artistic freedom they enjoy.
The Secret of Nimh was one of his better post-disney efforts, sadly. He was also director for Titan A.E., a film so bad that it sank Fox's entire animation studio.
Oh yeah, Harry potter was GREAT, they sure always kept to the books! (sarcastic)
Personally, I think if they want artistic freedom they should come up with their own plot, rather than confuse people who read the books last.Secret of Nimh, btw, was by Don Bluth, a Disney animator who left the fold. He worked on a couple of pictures between the studio's great periods — the Rescuers, Robin Hood, etc. Also did the animation for that Dragon's Lair arcade game, for those who remember it, I think.
That explains it.
(See also: all the silly ranting over the casting of Tom Cruise in Interview with a Vampire. He wound up doing so well even Ann Rice 'fessed up to it.)
Hang on. are you talking about this guy? I certainly hope not! 'Silly ranting'?
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I don't have that issue... is this article connected to Lloyd Alexander's The Black Cauldron? I just finished reading the book to my daughter. It really drove home how badly Disney mangled it when they made the movie.Yep. Two more examples: Wizard of Oz (wow they really mangled that movie!) and Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats of NIMH (that was the worst. The Wizard of Oz movie was still kinda good, but this movie... known as The Secret of NIMH. Plegh!)
Ah! But if you didn't read the book before seeing the film, The Secret of NIMH is pretty good! (my small opine)
EDIT: Actually, I'm going to be courageous: I think all the mentioned films are very good, in and of themselves. I certainly have to say, when I was 4-10 years old, they meant the world to me. My daughter is in love with Taran, and when I was her age every princess was an amalgam of Eilonwy-Snow White-Cinderella, et al. I remember that I was completely bored by the Baum books, but loved Judy Garland; and I still remember Mrs. Brisby whenever I see a cinderblock in a field. Oh, and whenever my wife buys new jewelery, I say, "Oooh, sparklies." I'll liken this to the D&D Dungeon Survival Guide we all 'hate' so vehemently... I initially saw it as a waste of money, but my 5 year old has read it cover to cover, learned new words sure to get her into trouble in her kindergarten class (I eagerly await the inevitable note home), and now makes up stories to go along with what she read. Like they say, it's in the eye of the beholder(kin).
I don't have that issue... is this article connected to Lloyd Alexander's The Black Cauldron? I just finished reading the book to my daughter. It really drove home how badly Disney mangled it when they made the movie.Yep. Two more examples: Wizard of Oz (wow they really mangled that movie!) and Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats of NIMH (that was the worst. The Wizard of Oz movie was still kinda good, but this movie... known as The Secret of NIMH. Plegh!)
oh god why do I ever look at my posts from seven years ago I was so flipping braindead
This post is stupid and dumb, but it is following up some incredibly insightful commentary on how Eragon's hair was brown, so I give it some credit. I rate this Kobold Cleaver post three Goblin Heads out of ten to keep it real. It simply does not hold up to the high standard of quality Kobold Cleaver posts generally maintain.We here at Kobold Cleaver, Inc. disavow all knowledge of how any one of our representatives could have possibly dismissed one of the greatest animated movies of all time as "Plegh!"-fare.