Stats for the Whip-dagger?

[Arctaris]

Would someone be so kind as to post stats for the whip-dagger? It sounds interesting and like something an upcoming character would use but I can't buy the Arms and Equipment Guide for one weapon.
Thanks

[swirler]

Arctaris wrote:

Would someone be so kind as to post stats for the whip-dagger? It sounds interesting and like something an upcoming character would use but I can't buy the Arms and Equipment Guide for one weapon.

Thanks

i dunno if anyone can post that, sorry i dont think i have it anyway

however i remember there being a "braid blade" hair blade in Dungeon issue 120, if you have that issue
it had demogorgon on the cover

dunno if that will help or not

[Arctaris]

No, unfortunately I don't have that issue.

[James Jacobs]

I can't post it... but I can say that stats for whip daggers have indeed appeared in Dragon and Dungeon now and then. For sure, they appear in issue #353 of Dragon in the Malcanthet Demonomicon article.

[Jeremy Mac Donald]

Another option is to just make up the weapon yourself.

[Crimson Jester]

James Jacobs wrote:

I can't post it...

YOU Can't but could someone else do it. Not that I am asking permission or anything, just if I did would there be legalese trouble for you.

[carborundum]

There are 3.0 versions in Sword & Fist and in the Arms & Equipment guide. The changes to 3.5 are in making it melee reach instead of ranged IIRC.

[Arctaris]

In that issue of Dragon there is a weapon called a scourge. Is that the same thing? Is the whip dagger just a whip with a blade on the end?

[DMFTodd]

Also in the Obsidian Eye adventure from Dungeon.

[Jeremy Mac Donald]

Arctaris wrote:

In that issue of Dragon there is a weapon called a scourge. Is that the same thing? Is the whip dagger just a whip with a blade on the end?

Thats my understanding.

[swirler]

DMFTodd wrote:

Also in the Obsidian Eye adventure from Dungeon.

yeah thats the issue I was referring to.

[Aberzombie]

If I remember correctly, OotS had a great strip about the Whip-dagger.

[Darkjoy]

Aberzombie wrote:

If I remember correctly, OotS had a great strip about the Whip-dagger.

The 3e stats for whip daggers were:

1d6/19-20x2 in sword and fist

1d6/x2 in the arms and equipment guide

[Aberzombie]

Darkjoy wrote:

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The 3e stats for whip daggers were:

1d6/19-20x2 in sword and fist

1d6/x2 in the arms and equipment guide

I think they may also have given stats for the whip-dagger in the Demonomicon article about Malcanthet as a sometimes weapon for her clerics/thralls.

[Arctaris]

I found them, in said Dragon article. Don't know why I didn't see it when I looked at it last in the library.

[baron arem heshvaun]

Arctaris wrote:

I found them, in said Dragon article. Don't know why I didn't see it when I looked at it last in the library.

High priestesses of Loviatar in my home campaign are the only ones allowed to use these "holy weapons" of the godess. But i have always wondered that if a whip does 1-2 points of damage and a dagger does 1-4 points of damage, what is the logic in making the damage 1-6 for the whip dagger (leverage?).

[Arctaris]

I've always wondered why the whip does non-lethal damage.

[Dragonchess Player]

Arctaris wrote:

I've always wondered why the whip does non-lethal damage.

It's pretty hard to kill someone by lashing them with a bullwhip. While you can draw blood, the cuts are shallow. A scourge often had bits of metal at the ends to make the wounds deeper.

[Cpt_kirstov]

Dragonchess Player wrote:

Arctaris wrote:

I've always wondered why the whip does non-lethal damage.

It's pretty hard to kill someone by lashing them with a bullwhip. While you can draw blood, the cuts are shallow. A scourge often had bits of metal at the ends to make the wounds deeper.

I've ruled that criticals with whips can be lethal damage if you want, and a max damage critical with a whip is a shot to the ear, causing the target to loose balance and stumble around for the next round (due to eardrum rupture) I have had this hit both ears of a BBEG once... and save some PCs