|
I tried to prod Clark over in the Eamonvale? thread in such a way as to give him a polite way out:
Are you in a position to update us on the Slumbering Tsar series?
...he didn't take the bait.
I tried to prod Clark over in the Eamonvale? thread in such a way as to give him a polite way out:
Are you in a position to update us on the Slumbering Tsar series?...he didn't take the bait.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
|
|
Good news and bad news - there is finally a hint of news...
Tsar 1 is being released 3.5 soon (Feb). The other two are on hold pending 4.0.
ST2 and 3 are a bit in limbo. They will either be 3.5 or 3.5 stats and downloads will be available.
I have to admit, the fact that I dont have the 4E rules makes me more inclined to finish out ST as 3.5.
|
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
ST2 and 3 are a bit in limbo. They will either be 3.5 or 3.5 stats and downloads will be available.
I have to admit, the fact that I dont have the 4E rules makes me more inclined to finish out ST as 3.5.
*manifests an overchannelled dominate* Do it Clark do it!
I'm going to go lay down now. Overchannel damage sucks.
ST2 and 3 are a bit in limbo. They will either be 3.5 or 3.5 stats and downloads will be available.
I have to admit, the fact that I dont have the 4E rules makes me more inclined to finish out ST as 3.5.
Why don't you take a simple poll about finishing in 3.5 or 4th edition? I'll 2nd MM's vote for 3.5 to get the ball rolling!
ST2 and 3 are a bit in limbo. They will either be 3.5 or 3.5 stats and downloads will be available.
I have to admit, the fact that I dont have the 4E rules makes me more inclined to finish out ST as 3.5.
Yay!
All hail Clark!
;)
The problem isnt me, the problem is retilers and distributors. I dont know what their feeling is going to be for 3e stuff after 4e is out. I know what it is right now--low. Paizo does well with Pathfinder, etc, because it is a continuation of Dungeon and their serial products. But the love for 3e stuff is just not out there right now from distributors and retailers on the level to make a product successful and worth our time and the author's time. So I am still deciding. Sorry. :( Beleive me, its pissing me off as much as it is you guys.
The problem isnt me, the problem is retilers and distributors. I dont know what their feeling is going to be for 3e stuff after 4e is out. I know what it is right now--low. Paizo does well with Pathfinder, etc, because it is a continuation of Dungeon and their serial products. But the love for 3e stuff is just not out there right now from distributors and retailers on the level to make a product successful and worth our time and the author's time. So I am still deciding. Sorry. :( Beleive me, its pissing me off as much as it is you guys.
Clark, thanks for the updated response. This is off the cuff, and you're under no obligation to respond, but here's my query & suggestion.
What percentage of your business actually comes from retailers and distributors? As opposed to people who get info on your products online (primarily at your website). Here's what I'm thinking. My guess is that there's a fair number of people here in the online world that has been eagerly awaiting news on this trilogy. Why not get the word out to them through your website, through Paizo's website, heck even emails to past purchasers of your products, that you're putting this trilogy out for 3rd edition. Wouldn't those accumulated numbers be enough to do good business on the trilogy? Then we can order them directly through you and/or Paizo's website, and you can bypass the normal distribution routes for people who don't want them on the shelves b/c they're 3rd edition.
Unless I'm missing something elementary in the "distribution" channel that would prevent this. In which case, chalk this up to trying to be helpful.
Heck, in addition to the Paizo store, just find a way to get it on the following three sites and you might be good:
Amazon.com
FRPgames.com
Stiggybaby.com
Heck, in addition to the Paizo store, just find a way to get it on the following three sites and you might be good:
Amazon.com
FRPgames.com
Stiggybaby.com
Exactly so. The fact that no Necro adventures (other than some that were through WW) are on Amazon is criminal (and ridiculous).
ST2 and 3 are a bit in limbo. They will either be 3.5 or 3.5 stats and downloads will be available.
I have to admit, the fact that I dont have the 4E rules makes me more inclined to finish out ST as 3.5.
Are there any plans to provide 4e conversion notes? I'm probably going to get the adventures for idea fodder either way, but conversion notes would mean my mind is already made up.
|
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
|
Are there any plans to provide 4e conversion notes? I'm probably going to get the adventures for idea fodder either way, but conversion notes would mean my mind is already made up.ST2 and 3 are a bit in limbo. They will either be 3.5 or 3.5 stats and downloads will be available.
I have to admit, the fact that I dont have the 4E rules makes me more inclined to finish out ST as 3.5.
I'm sure somebody will be happy to make 4.x notes
Release them in 3.5 Clark, you won't be Tsarry you did!
|
I do not think it a good idea to switch system in mid-campaign. I do not think that many groups will play Tsar 1 in 3.5, convert their PCs and gon on with 4th. I think most will play either 3.5 or 4th the whole deal.
I for my part will buy all Tsar goodness that is 3.5 but not 4th as I will not switch in the next few years.
Well... shit
It's dead.
[rant] Son-of-a-b***h! What the hell happened here?
The 1st volume was supposedly "on the boat" back in September. What the hell exactly was "on the boat"?! Printed copies of the adventure to sell? I believe that's what "on the boat" usually refers to. Did the boat sink? Is NG holding on to a warehouse of these products but not allowed to sell them b/c Kenzer doesn't want to distribute 3rd edition product?? I don't get it. I don't know jack about the publishing industry, but for something that's been worked on for years, it sure took a long time between "it's on the boat, should be here anytime now..." to "yeah, we're not doing it in 3rd edition after all". Is NG only allowed to publish games through Kenzer? What about the fabled Paizo-NG alliance? What have we actually got to see from that? Other than Clark being a Judge for RPG Superstar.
God this burns me up. Clark, I think you need some damage control over here on these boards. This product would have been actually the 1st thing I ever ordered from NG, and it's now left a very sour taste in my mouth. [/rant]
Greg, if you read this, none of my anger is directed at you. You did your end of the bargain; you wrote it. I'm just sorry it won't see the light of day in 3.5, as you meant it to be. I hope it doesn't prove to be vaporware in 4th edition, for those who'll play that.
an out of character rant, for which I now apologize. I shouldn't have let my frustration tip over the line, which I did. I still wouldn't mind an explanation, but I've no right to demand one, or cast aspersions on anyone involved.It's dead.
|
|
I must admit that I am really p-oed with this news. I was really, really looking forward to play TS as a 3.5 Campaign.
Clark and Bill, as much as I love NG and admire your work, that was not well done!
That said, even if you won't release the print product in 3.5, wouldn't it be possible to put out the 3.5 PDF?
|
|
I must admit that I am really p-oed with this news. I was really, really looking forward to play TS as a 3.5 Campaign.
Clark and Bill, as much as I love NG and admire your work, that was not well done!
That said, even if you won't release the print product in 3.5, wouldn't it be possible to put out the 3.5 PDF?
My understanding is that if you buy the 4e print you will get access to some 3.5 version (either the actual adventure or conversion notes?).
|
|
Well after just reading this I must say Im rather disapointed.I was really into NG products in the begining and they only seemed to get better as time went on. I was looking at the ST trilogy as a crown jewel for NG products, and maybe it still will be. But alas, there will be no 4e for me and therfore no ST. Bummer dudes.
Please keep us updated, Greg, as you can.
|
|
Thanks, DF. I'm still here. Still just kinda' stuck in Limbo. I've pitched my ideas to those I can pitch them to and now await some kind of a decision (with a little prodding now and then :-)) Still holding out hope, though [[fingers crossed]]
I definitely appreciate the thoughts coming my way, though. I'd love to see this thing go through.
Hey Greg is there anything the fans can do to give you some support? I love your work and I know many others do to.Maybe we can throw are collective weight around.
Hey Greg is there anything the fans can do to give you some support? I love your work and I know many others do to.Maybe we can throw are collective weight around.Thanks, DF. I'm still here. Still just kinda' stuck in Limbo. I've pitched my ideas to those I can pitch them to and now await some kind of a decision (with a little prodding now and then :-)) Still holding out hope, though [[fingers crossed]]
I definitely appreciate the thoughts coming my way, though. I'd love to see this thing go through.
Yes, please let us know what we can do, if anything, to help this see the light of day for 3.5!
Heh, well I guess you could start spamming the Paizo boards with demand for Slumbering Tsar 3.5 until it becomes economically unfeasible for it to not be done. :-)
Beyond that, I think waiting and my occasional reminder e-mails are probably about it right now. (Speaking of which, I'll fire out another tonight just to keep the pot astir.)
If by mentioning "the Paizo boards" instead of the Necro boards was a slip, it's a very interesting one. My impression was that Clark & Necro were controlling the destiny of this product. If you're hinting that Paizo might publish a 3.5 version, under the right circumstances, then I think you've opened the door to some more action on my part. And no doubt others would be behind me.
If this isn't just my feverish imagination working overtime, and Paizo is considering this, I would be willing to sweeten the pot, financially speaking, for Paizo. For example, pre-ordering a bunch of these (I mean print copies, not pdfs), and then giving them out to the faithful here to drum up interest in seeing parts 2 & 3. That way it's less of a financial risk for Paizo to publish it; good publicity for you and Paizo when the freebies are distributed; and, of course, I get my hands on a print copy I can call my own. How's that for win-win? ;-)
I'll commit to $500 of pre-orders right now.
If I've misinterpreted your intentions, though, well, you can't blame me for trying to think creatively.
If the content matches the cover, it may be the coolest adventure ever!
;)
I hope it sees the light of day as a 3.5 product!
I hope it sees the light of day as a 3.5 product!
Me too!!!
|
|
My understanding is that Necro did not pull this by choice. The printing partner they was with on that book pulled it at the last moment cause of a general slow down in 3e sales at the time. Just wanted to mention that.
I am all for it getting still done 3.5, since Paizo is still printing that stuff. I would imagine something could be worked out since they are the printing partner for Necro now. But ultimently it will depend on if Necro thinks they can at the very least break even and make the next two worth it.
Of course I am speculating by what I have read on the Necro forum and ENworld posted by Clark mostly. So don't quote me.
Bless you, BenS. That's the spirit! :-)
No slip on my part. With Paizo and Necromancer Games being in partnership I know that both peruse these boards (see Clark's comments above), plus this seems to be where most of the discussion is taking place in regards to this product. However, by all means visit the Necromancer Games website and talk it up as well.
Thanks for all the support. (And I definitely give it up to BenS for creativity and chutzpah).
Greg, you're welcome. Just my way of saying thanks for all those fabulous Greyhawk adventures you wrote for Dungeon. And I haven't even played any of the adventure paths yet, so there will be lots more to enjoy of your work.
Anyway, I'd welcome someone from Paizo or Necro giving us some hard info on the possibility of this trilogy seeing print form for 3.5. Whether than means Paizo doing the printing rather than Kenzer; or a Print on Demand possibility; or some other option I can't think of. If we're at an impasse b/c of the GSL (i.e., maybe it won't allow publishing the same material for 3.5 & 4th edition), just tell us that and we can all stop spinning our wheels.
Of course, this whole conversation changes dramatically if there actually is no GSL. See the thread in the 4th ed. forums on THAT interesting topic...
My understanding is that Necro did not pull this by choice. The printing partner they was with on that book pulled it at the last moment cause of a general slow down in 3e sales at the time. Just wanted to mention that.
I am all for it getting still done 3.5, since Paizo is still printing that stuff. I would imagine something could be worked out since they are the printing partner for Necro now. But ultimently it will depend on if Necro thinks they can at the very least break even and make the next two worth it.
Of course I am speculating by what I have read on the Necro forum and ENworld posted by Clark mostly. So don't quote me.
I'm assuming you're talking about Kenzer pulling the plug. Can anyone confirm that Paizo is now Necro's "printing partner"?! If that's true, then maybe my offer of massive pre-orders might actually have a chance. Though of course I have no way of knowing what Necro's "break even" point would be (and don't delude myself into thinking my offer alone would cover it).
Again, someone truly in the know would be welcome to this discussion :)
|
|
That was my understanding is Paizo now would be. What does this mean for older stuff still in que with other companies I don't know. i just know in the Tegel manor thread Clark said something to that effect. Least that is how I took it at least.
And yes I meant Kenzer, I forgot which company it was. They have had deals with a couple of them over the years.
I will make a post on the Necro forum about this thread in the Tsar thread there. Maybe Clark or Bill will pop on here or give more solid answer on that thread. So one of us can quote it and paste it here.
Can anyone confirm that Paizo is now Necro's "printing partner"?!
Can anyone confirm that Paizo is now Necro's "printing partner"?!Announcement link here.
Oh, I knew about that. But that was noted a long time before the plug was pulled on this (this winter); and unless someone corrects me, it was Kenzer--not Paizo--that pulled the plug. I guess I stopped thinking about that b/c, well, I've yet to see Paizo publish anything for Necro.
To keep throwing ideas out and hoping 1 will stick...why not make this trilogy the 1st real (print) collaboration between Necro & Paizo? Hell, Golarion is a vast new world. I'm sure w/ some minimal retrofitting the trilogy could be placed in Golarion, and offered as an optional GameMastery series (optional only b/c some subscribers might balk at the price of mega-modules--not me, mind you!). That way, instant recognition and publicity, and some form of revenue sharing where Necro recoups some of the money they've put into this.
As part of the Pathfinder world, we wouldn't have to worry about the "distributors and retailers" being so averse to non-4th edition material. And honestly, these boards alone (plus Necro's boards) bring in a lot of attention. (10,000+ downloads for the Alpha rules!) I just know this could be financially viable.