Fall from Grace and succubus reproduction


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After seeing Fall From Grace mentionned both in the last Dungeon magazine and also in the Dragon issue with Malcanthet (wow by the way! Great writting!), I was curious if there were any official stats for 3e for her, or if there was anything written about her in a previous issue of Dragon? Or Dungeon?
She was a very striking and terribly interesting character and I always regreted we didn't learn more about her.

I was even wondering if there was any way to integrate Fall From Grace into the Savage Tide campaign as an ally (or perhaps for an evil party, as a present to Red Shroud or Malcanthet).

Last thing, I am really curious to know if there is anything official on how demons like succubi reproduce? Like human pregnancies?? And demons being immortal, is there such a thing as childhood? Some demons seem to be born directly into adults such as the Slaad in the Sea Wyvern's wake, but for more human type demons, I am curious.
I was thinking that is one way for Malcanthet to get the PCs to do her bidding. Mate with one of them, then show them their nice, new, evil succubus daughter. :p


Haelis wrote:
Last thing, I am really curious to know if there is anything official on how demons like succubi reproduce? Like human pregnancies?? And demons being immortal, is there such a thing as childhood? Some demons seem to be born directly into adults such as the Slaad in the Sea Wyvern's wake, but for more human type demons, I am curious...

Fiendish Codex II explains demonic origins pretty extensively. The offspring of a demon would be a half-fiend (and not another demon).

Unless you wanted it otherwise in your campaign :)


Tatterdemalion wrote:
Haelis wrote:
Last thing, I am really curious to know if there is anything official on how demons like succubi reproduce? Like human pregnancies?? And demons being immortal, is there such a thing as childhood? Some demons seem to be born directly into adults such as the Slaad in the Sea Wyvern's wake, but for more human type demons, I am curious...

Fiendish Codex II explains demonic origins pretty extensively. The offspring of a demon would be a half-fiend (and not another demon).

Unless you wanted it otherwise in your campaign :)

Good point. I should of thought of that. But what happens when it is two demons who mate (Pazuzu and the queen of Succubi got Red Shroud for instance). I am curious whether that is anything like it is for mortals (humans, dwarves). Does Fiendish codex go into that?

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Ok, here we go again....
When 2 demons love each other (or just feel the need for seed)and want to show that they love each other more than with just kissing(like performing disgusting and sometimes brutal acts of sweet pain/pleasure), the male(ish) demon and the female(ish) demon lie together and press certain parts of their bodies together(sometimes with amazing acts of flexibility). The male will insert his p***s into the female's v****a(or wherever that ho wants it!) and they will perform the act of love-making (gettin' yo' freak on, ridin' the pony, hide the salami, etc.). After the male achieves orga**m, his sperm will travel up to the egg and fertilize it(unless someone needed a pearl necklace or something) resulting in an embryo (or just a gooey mess that the motel staff needs to clean up). The rest is incubation periods and birthing and can get pretty boring, do a search on "demonic-love" on the internet and try not to cry to learn more.

FH


Fake Healer wrote:

Ok, here we go again....

When 2 demons love each other... try not to cry to learn more.

FH

I'll take that as teasing. I guess you consider my musings useless?

The question appeared in my mind when I read somewhere that Red Shroud had had hundreds of children and sold many such as Fall from Grace into slavery.

Oh well, focus on the questions about Fall from Grace then :)

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Haelis wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

Ok, here we go again....

When 2 demons love each other... try not to cry to learn more.

FH

I'll take that as teasing. I guess you consider my musings useless?

The question appeared in my mind when I read somewhere that Red Shroud had had hundreds of children and sold many such as Fall from Grace into slavery.

Oh well, focus on the questions about Fall from Grace then :)

Get a sense of humor. Nobody was insulting you. It was a joke. Lighten up.

FH


~sighs~ Fakey is going Rouge on us again! ~grins~


Actually, I'm pretty sure that the fiendish codex states that demons and devils cannot produce other immortal offspring with each other unless they have sufficient power and ability to do so - the same magical nature that allows certain fiends to produce fiendish offspring with mortal creatures prevents them from doing so with each other. Also, going by the illustrations in the monster manuals... many lack the proper equipment. There are exceptions to this - it appears that archfiends are capable of sexual reproduction with other fiends (as both Asmodeus and Belial have wholly fiendish daughters)

Although you could always change this to meet the needs of your game.


Sorry if I took it the wrong way Fake Healer. Sometimes humor is hard to come across over messageboards when you do not know the poster. As it was, I was unsure if you being funny or mocking because of the subject matter :)

It seems like I will have to get these fiendish codexes. I wasn't sure of their value since I own the book of vile darkness and the CR ratings of the major demons and devils have been reduced in Fiendish Codex.

As far as lacking anatomy, I wonder if spells can remedy that?
As far as powerful demons, well Red Shroud, Malcanthet and Pazuzu are all massively powerful so I don't suppose they have a problem. Although really, I don't see why a demon lord like Malcanthet would want a child. Seems like demon kids just want to kill their parents...


Fake Healer wrote:

Ok, here we go again....

When 2 demons love each other (or just feel the need for seed)and want to show that they love each other more than with just kissing(like performing disgusting and sometimes brutal acts of sweet pain/pleasure), the male(ish) demon and the female(ish) demon lie together and press certain parts of their bodies together(sometimes with amazing acts of flexibility). The male will insert his p***s into the female's v****a(or wherever that ho wants it!) and they will perform the act of love-making (gettin' yo' freak on, ridin' the pony, hide the salami, etc.). After the male achieves orga**m, his sperm will travel up to the egg and fertilize it(unless someone needed a pearl necklace or something) resulting in an embryo (or just a gooey mess that the motel staff needs to clean up). The rest is incubation periods and birthing and can get pretty boring, do a search on "demonic-love" on the internet and try not to cry to learn more.

FH

You know, that's exactly how I got "the talk". Except, I also had a puppet show as a visual aid. And then they beat me with a Bible. But it never did me any h-harm.


Haelis wrote:
Seems like demon kids just want to kill their parents...

So far mine just want to kill bugs and annoying classmates :P

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Archdevils and Demon Princes can certainly produce all manner of scions, be they demons, 1/2 fiendish creatures, or what have you. Plenty of other demons can have offspring as well, succubi being one of the most fecund as it were. Alu-fiends are the offspring of succubi and mortals. Graz'zt has a whole cadre of them as his secret police (in his daughter's city, not zelatar - For duty & deity).

Yugoloths can reproduce amongst themselves as well, but rarely do so as the offspring breed true to caste (i.e. Arcanaloths breed other arcanaloths) and lack the power or experience of a 'loth who clawed it's way from mezzoloth to it's current station.

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Tatterdemalion wrote:


Fiendish Codex II explains demonic origins pretty extensively. The offspring of a demon would be a half-fiend (and not another demon).

Unless you wanted it otherwise in your campaign :)

If we are talking Demons then you mean the Fiendish Codex I.

At the OP - I highly recommend the book as being an excellent read. As is pointed out by Tatterdemalion most demonic reproduction creates half-fiends. Most demons are corrupted souls that work their way up from the lowly dretch. There are exceptions but these usually involve Demon Princes - also the Abyss itself seems to have some kind of ability to create demons.


Och, I'd tell ya hoo it's done, sprat;
but ye'd nivver be thu same.

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Devils - Generally speaking, rank and file Baatezu cannot reproduce amongst their own kind. Everything from lemure up through pit fiend is sterile so far as their own race is concerned, though they can breed with mortals with no problem, with the one exception being erinyes (a recent retcon fwiw) which are capable of breeding with other baatezu to make more erinyes. Noble baatezu can breed but it seems that doing so without approval can lead to harsh penalties like when Baalzebul's precursor was executed for having a son (who was also killed, along with the mother).

Demons - all lesser and greater tanar'ri can breed amongst themselves, and with mortals. "True tanar'ri" however cannot breed among their own kind, as those castes can only form via the promotion of lesser ranking tanar'ri (but they can breed with mortals and lesser fiends).

Yugoloths - all lesser yugoloths can breed, always making mezzoloths. Among greater yugoloths, nycaloths can breed to make nycaloths, arcanaloths can breed more arcanaloths, and ultroloths can make arcanaloths via parthenogenesis. This is fairly rare among greater 'loths however, as they view sexual reproduction as crude and disgusting, and 'loths born into caste rather than rising into caste via promotion are effectively second-class fiends. There aren't any known examples of any of the unique 'loths breeding, with their own race or mortals or anything else, and absolutely nothing is known regarding reproduction (or even gender really) for the baernaloths.


I'm really interested in some Fall-From-Grace info, she was an amazing character in the Planescape: Torment pc game, and being an Aussie I get my dungeon issues 2 months behind scheduled release dates, so I haven't read this new info.


Fall From Grace is by far one of my favorite characters ever :D
I tried to read her journal quite a few times to no avail (in the video game that is for those who haven't played).

Don't get your hopes up too high though since she is only mentionned as part of an NPC's description. That is why I wanted to know if she had made appearances or stated up in Dungeon/Dragon before :)
I would actually back-order any mag that had her in it for old times sake (I bought two copies of the video game: French and then English so I could enjoy the game with the original voices)

Having her be part of the Savage Tide might also make some sense too. She is strongly related to the main protagonists, she is powerful, she has access to a lot of information via her 'brothel' in Sigil, and since she is Lawful Good aligned (can't remember for sure, but she sure acted as if she were good so I always perceived her that way) she has a vested interest in helping the PCs.


Fall-From-Grace was statted awhile back in the second edition days of Planescape.

As for demon reproduction, as creatures of Chaos, I don't think they should even follow any rules. As far as I see it, some members of the same "species" can reprodue, some just couldn't. As for the offsprings, the more powerful the parent, the more powerful the offspring. But even that is not always the case. For example, Graz'zt had his way with Malcanthet and a normal succubus. With Mal, the offspring may simply be an above-average succubus whilst Graz'zt' offspring with a normal succubus may result in a demon lord that rivals his own power. So with demons you never know what may pop out.


Just a quick question, all right you usually get a female half-fiend(alu- demon) from the mating of a Succubus and a human male right? So Tyralandi 's sire was an Incubus and her mother was a Nymph. So she's female cause her Mom Is a Nymph? So If an Incubus were to mate with a human or humanoid or giant female, would the child be male? Just curious thanx In advance.
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An incubus/human child would be a cambion. An incubus/other child is a half fiend, so that's why Tyralandi's a half-fiend nymph.

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I've also seen in a few novels where a succubus "receives" the requisite dna material, then shapeshifts into an incubus and "returns" said material to another human, thereby impregnating them....
That's pretty messed up.


Just pray my nameless one doesent show up... Ftr76/Wiz19/Rog16 ..ability scores maxed out and yes he charmed everyone, and absorbed his previous selves and his mortality ;)

Oh, and wielding chaos knuckledusters.
Lots of great tattoos too.. if i only could remember which..
And lets not forget, camouflaged as a zombir :D

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