My level 4 fighter and his druid and ranger companions went out to destroy a city at level 4 by making the inns and peasants of the town mad at the church that runs it and by getting my level 4 fighter named lord Vincent von drake in a high level position in this good church (im evil) my DM was actually very surprised because normally I go for the kill everything, steal it, or break it rout. Anyway we went to get things so we can make potions for are little army of village people and church traitors when a wizard that was working for us lied to Vincent von drake (now you must know Vincent von drake and his companions are EVIL there are champions of Arioch and each have there niche the Rangers is just down right torture the druids is chaos like nature and the fighter is not only fighting but LYING!!! they call him the lord of lies.... so why does this matter well a wizard just lied to the lord of lies who is chaotic evil!!!! about a wish ring saying it was nothing!!!!!!!!) So anyway my guy takes the ring and wishes for the wizard to die once then twice then three times and he doesn’t die then we have to stop the game because the DM said he needed to make a level 20-character wizard to fight me MY QUESTION… WHAT DO I DO PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS IM UP FOR ANYTHING!!
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You have two choices, best I can see:
1) fight like a psycho spider monkey against a bull elephant and get points for going out brave.
2) grovel like a slug. At least choice two, maybe the wizard will have an adventure hook for you maybe. Ask him if maybe he has a job for you to win back his trust or something. I really can't tell; I don't personally know the dungeon master so I don't know what they'll go for.
I think i would do number one he is kinda full of himself but i really want to do something cleaver at least that makes going down look good lol
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Actually, thinking more about it...
number two works if he's worried about winning. It'd look pretty bad if a few 4th level guys dusted a 20th level wizard, and it's less of a long shot the less the dungeonmaster knows what he's doing. Still a longshot, but I could hypothetically see one guy standing alone over the wizard's reposing body.
I personally would have to study up really well to run a 20th level wizard. I'm the fighter-type myself.
So grovelling,... he gets to save face if he's unsure of himself and your characters get to breathe some more.
I just don't know how sure of himself he is.
20th level? Against a party of 4th? I'd say that's a very noticeable difference, even in game. So the wizard is probably pretty damned sure he can take all of you by himself, blindfolded, and asleep, without much challenge. Grovel or die.
A 20th level wizard can mop the floor with an entire army of 4th level characters. Obviously, the nastier things are more dependent on how prepared the wizard is (buffing spells, etc) and how clever your GM is, but there are a couple of dumb simple things he could do. For example, turning into a 40HD dragon, balor, or other 20 CR nasty for more than 3 hours. Or he could just finger of death you; or power word kill you; or turn you to stone. Are you in a position to make a DC 23 (absolute minimum) save against death?
Grovel. :)
so we played today and well......He was on the same side( worked for the god aroich) as us so all he did to me was turn me into a frog then i had to disspell it like 40 times because each time i turned into something else. then we took over a town sounds good huh? lol
A 20th level wizard can mop the floor with an entire army of 4th level characters. Obviously, the nastier things are more dependent on how prepared the wizard is (buffing spells, etc) and how clever your GM is, but there are a couple of dumb simple things he could do. For example, turning into a 40HD dragon, balor, or other 20 CR nasty for more than 3 hours. Or he could just finger of death you; or power word kill you; or turn you to stone. Are you in a position to make a DC 23 (absolute minimum) save against death?
Grovel. :)
Or a single Meteor Swarm, or Prismatic Spray, or... oh, god, the options for painful and certain death go on and on. If he wanted to get really creative, Wish could mess you over in ways you've never in thought of. And don't forget Wierd.
Glad to hear you made it out alive, Haun, and being a toad is certainly getting off light in this case!
Or a single Meteor Swarm, or Prismatic Spray, or... oh, god, the options for painful and certain death go on and on. If he wanted to get really creative, Wish could mess you over in ways you've never in thought of. And don't forget Wierd.
Glad to hear you made it out alive, Haun, and being a toad is certainly getting off light in this case!
Baleful polymorph, touch of idiocy, reverse gravity, rusting grasp, Sirellyn's superior magnetism...
One of my favorite PCs when I was growing up was a 20th-lvl defiler from Dark Sun. My psionic wild talent was the once that enhanced your strength to 18/00 or some such. Add Bigby's crushing grasp to that, and you have one dead, dead, dead opponent.
It was good to be evil. She was on a quest to become a defiler lich, which she eventually succeeded at.
Based on what actually happened to you I can surmise two things:
First your DM is not particularly tight with the rules. There's no polymorph spell that keeps changing you every time you dispel it. No. That's the movie Willow there. Likewise to be immune to the Wish spell? I know in Forgotten Realms that's the sort of thing that the goddess of magic can grant you if you're her chosen. There's other options, I guess, like having a fragment of a dead god from a null magic zone (another Faerun specific artifact), or a high spell resistance...but really I get the impression that the DM here just said "it doesn't work...and he does this to you" Not really much you can do once the DM decides you're going to get your rear handed to you, except ask how he's managing all of this and get branded a rules lawyer.
Second since the spellcaster chose simply to humiliate you rather than annihilate you I figure your DM is one of those who doesn't like killing characters offhand. In some ways this is worse, as you can be humiliated over and over to the endless glee of a DM until every shred of self-respect of both character and player are a dimly half-remembered memory. At least dead characters get cool death scenes.
Had you another wish spell left, I would have wished for immunity to magic (not is so many words, as a DM could abuse that request in all sorts of ways) but perhaps wish that while still retaining your unchanged human form granted you the gaze of the central eye of a beholder, to annul magic in a cone in front of you--then just fix the magic user with a steely gaze and hack him to bits as fighters are wont to do.
Ultimately to create characters to slay magic users the key is high saves and hit points. Eventually you will find that the most powerful wizard spells (usually 10d8) won't be able to kill you outright, especially if the damage is halved by a successful save, whislt the most unpleasant effects of magic are completely annuled by a successful save. A good fighter with a high strength and a two handed weapon and power attack can dish out damage in copeous amounts and often hit an opponent without the need for a roll.
None of this will help you however if the DM works his mojo on behalf of his NPCs the way yours seems to. If a DM sets himself to insta-smush you, you're pretty well smushed if he's not adverse to rewriting the rules to favor his characters.
Have you considered, dieing? It's a viable option in this situation. All though at 4th level for your character to be called the prince of lies and then he himself was lied too...
Priceless.
Another alternative is hiring out an assasin. Or find some mage hunters. Or mention he's a lich to undead hunters, pallys, clerics and all that.
Choices...
-Run for your life until you're a higher level.
-Die like a... fourth level character.
-Strike up a battle of wits! Or Chess! Or... something...
Whatever you do, if you choose to kill him don't kid yourself into thinking you can fight him fair, you'll have to poisen him, then have his best friend betray him, before setting a trap for him and hiding behind your army of angry peasants. Only then you MIGHT survive : ). Good luck though.
I still have my doubts. Add a few demons, dragons, and we'll talk. If you can convince a demigod to intervene, you should be safe. Good thing they're on sale now!
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I once had a 10th level rogue who killed a 20th level Necromancer simply because he was caught COMPLETELY off-guard and unprepared. I leveled twice from that encounter alone because I did it all by myself while the other party members were outside fighting undead.
A little bit of nondetection and a +24 Hide and Move Silently check go a long way... especially when critting with the opening stab and rolling high on all 5d6 sneak attack dice. The DM had designed him as powerful but frail so he only had 48 hp even at level 20. It was all over in one shot. Gotta love those punching daggers!
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The characters in my campaign just thrashed two of three necromancer sisters who ran a bordello down in one of the wharf districts in Gradsul. The players are five 7th level characters and the Sisters Three were 10th-12th-ish and were not meant to be immediate combatants. The characters went "left", and I was horribly unprepared. Quick fight. Ugh.
But back to the OP....where did a crew of three 4th level characters get their hands on a ring of three wishes?
Oh yeah, nevermind...from the DM who attacked said party with a 20th lvl Wiz.
*blankly nods and smiles*
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But back to the OP....where did a crew of three 4th level characters get their hands on a ring of three wishes?
I have done something similar to this before, but it made good plot sense. Instead of a ring of three wishes, it was a +5 keen holy longsword. They had been entrusted with this weapon, an artifact, by the elven high priest of Waterdeep to deliver to the family (who lived in Tangletrees) of an elven hero who recently died. One of the characters was an elven ranger and the other was an elven paladin. Both level 8. I found it interesting because they KNEW that they were not, under any circumstances, to use that sword for ANYTHING. They carried it with them, though, and they could have very easily violated their good alignments AND the paladin's code of conduct by taking this weapon somewhere and selling it for ridiculous amounts of money but, of course, they did exactly as instructed. Having the temptation there was certainly enjoyable for everyone, though. At one point during their lengthy journey, they encountered a pair of vampires and gave serious consideration to using the sword, but they were steadfast in their dedication to honor the wishes of the priest and kept it safely sheathed on the paladin's back the whole time. He did have to clean it once when it got dropped in the mud (the paladin got bull rushed in the swamp) but that was the only time they even deigned to touch it. It was awesome and very intense for the players to know that they had an 'easy out' if they wanted it, but they couldn't take it without grossly violating some of their core beliefs. Good stuff.
I had a player pull a fast one and when faced with a 39th level Sorcerer, they took their ultimate kill shot not against the Sorcerer, but rather against his familiar (half the hit points, less AC and crappier saves on an average). It was an ultimate little "screw you" and it was completely unexpected. Do as he wanted, 39th level sorcerers hate making saving throws.
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My level 4 fighter and his druid and ranger companions went out to destroy a city at level 4 by making the inns and peasants of the town mad at the church that runs it and by getting my level 4 fighter named lord Vincent von drake in a high level position in this good church (im evil) my DM was actually very surprised because normally I go for the kill everything, steal it, or break it rout. Anyway we went to get things so we can make potions for are little army of village people and church traitors when a wizard that was working for us lied to Vincent von drake (now you must know Vincent von drake and his companions are EVIL there are champions of Arioch and each have there niche the Rangers is just down right torture the druids is chaos like nature and the fighter is not only fighting but LYING!!! they call him the lord of lies.... so why does this matter well a wizard just lied to the lord of lies who is chaotic evil!!!! about a wish ring saying it was nothing!!!!!!!!) So anyway my guy takes the ring and wishes for the wizard to die once then twice then three times and he doesn’t die then we have to stop the game because the DM said he needed to make a level 20-character wizard to fight me MY QUESTION… WHAT DO I DO PLEASE IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS IM UP FOR ANYTHING!!