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Liberty's Edge

Hey, I'm lovin' this book. I'm playing a Savant tomorrow, and an Urban Druid very soon.

Seriously, this is great stuff:

The Battle Dancer is a fun Caopiera alternative to stuffy old Monks, the Savant is just an awesome idea, the Jester is Classic, the Death Master is a much cooler Dread Necromancer...

The Prestige Classes are brilliant and interesting, particularly Cerebrex (a smart class!) and Monk of the Enabled hand... I did the Osteomancer and Shaper of Form are a lot of fun, too.

Plus, the feats filled some gaps... monk that punch with both hands, Paladins that turn as Clerics, and some of the old fighting styles were all appreciated. There are some just plain interesting ones, too, i.e. Bloodlines, Head's Up, or Kung Fu Genius.

SO, that's about as far as I've gotten, but the stuff in the back looks good too. I also really love the art. Good stuff everyplace..


got mine today - i badly want to play a jester now. :)

Liberty's Edge

Yah, me too, when I find the right game. I always get stuck playing useful characters... :P

Scarab Sages

Love the Urban Druid and the Osteomancer...two of my favorite PCs to come out of the pages of Dragon. It was very nice seeing them rerepresented.


dnjscott wrote:
Hey, I'm lovin' this book. I'm playing a Savant tomorrow....

I too am impressed with the Savant. I even slapped together a Wizard 7 / Cleric 7 / Rogue 6 just to compare the power levels. Pretty impressive.

Maybe I'm just dense, but something's bugging me: what's the Savant's caster level? Say, for example, I have a 14-level Savant. Is he CL 14 for both his arcane and divine spells, or is he CL 10 for arcane and CL 5 for divine?

I'm anal and like it when details like this are nailed down explicitly. Since the description is silent on this matter I get the impression he'd be CL 14, but for a guy who's just "tinkering" with magic via compiling notes and guess-and-test experimentation (as I envision it) to suddenly gain CL 5 to cast his first ever arcane spell and then suddenly gain CL 10 to do the same with divine magic seems to (IMO) stretch even fantasy credibility.

My major concern is when, if ever does he meet the prerequisites for the item creation feats. Can he start forging rings right away at 12th? Just curious.


Tramarius wrote:
I too am impressed with the Savant.

I'm not seeing anything about CL for the Savant. If you look at the other classes that get spell casting as secondary abilities, such as the Ranger and Paladin, their CL is 1/2 of their class level. This wouldn't work for the Savant due to being both an Arcane and Divine caster at different levels. Without having any sort of official word, I would go with the Arcane CL being Savant level -4 and Divine CL being Savant level -9. So to go with your example of a 14th level Savant, the Arcane CL would be 10 and the Divine CL would be 5.

As far as item creation feats, this would put it kinda far off. You wouldn't be able to get Forge Ring until you were a 16th level Savant. To me, this makes sense. As a Savant, you are a "jack-of-all-trades" so item creation feats would be further out of your reach as compared to a normal spell caster.

I hope this helps you out. Wish I could have something more official instead of just my opinion on it.


Ledax wrote:
I hope this helps you out. Wish I could have something more official instead of just my opinion on it.

Yes, thank-you. Your opinion echoes mine exactly. I too would like some official word on this matter.

Dark Archive Contributor

Ledax wrote:
I'm not seeing anything about CL for the Savant.

Could you pop on over to the Dragon Compendium Errors thread and copy/paste your post there? Mearls and I have decided that we'll figure out what to do with all these errors and omissions after the holidays, once we have a nice little pile of them to work through.

Then we just have to work it out with the bosses here at Paizo. ^_^


Mike McArtor wrote:


Could you pop on over to the Dragon Compendium Errors thread and copy/paste your post there?

Will do. Thanks for looking into these issues. I do appreciate it.

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