...can it be done? Sorry, but I must be curt. What can everyone tell me about this theory of haveing a Chaotic Neutral NPC with BOTH templates?
...can it be done? Sorry, but I must be curt. What can everyone tell me about this theory of haveing a Chaotic Neutral NPC with BOTH templates?
I don't think I ever allow this in a campaign of mine for the simple reasoning is too unbelievable. However, I also believe that the rules are on my side. If you are going to add a templete to a character, I'm pretty sure that you can only have one inherited templete. Your example would grant two. ...And isn't there an alignment change that happens with the half- celestial/fiend templetes?
Celric
yep pretty sure that you are only allowed one template at the start. However, if you were to obtain another template later on, say by becoming a vampire or lich or lycanthrope that might be acceptable. Besides templates add to ECL but not usually to HD so what player wants to be a ECL 10 with only 2 HD?
Think very carefully before allowing players to apply more than one template. The dictomy of alignments etc of most of the templates should prevent easy access to different templates.
If players want to have a diverse racial history maybe you should think about the bloodlines alternate rule from Unearthed Arcana, either combined with a template or have two waring bloodlines within a character. Again this limits HD of a character so that they become powerful but have negligable hit points.
Hope this helps.
It CAN happen (I'm not sure if it's supported by the rules) but it would not be a Half calestial/Half feind . It would ba either a celestial with the half feind template of a feind with a half celestial template.
You can't have a half feind/half celestial because you have to have a base creature to apply it to first and if both parents heritage is represented by a template then there is no creature in the first place.
However I could definatly see aome twisted evil baddie capturing celestials to create such abominations to use them against the heavanly. Although I wouldn't apply the template (It would be easy to say that celestial/fiend children would not come out so easily defined as other creatures (humans the typical)
Maybe a succubus archon mix that could change shape and was (due to the strange mixture of energies that make up it's body) able to change his/her apparent alignment, even versus spell effects (baffle that do gooding cleric) and her shape at will. Her decietful heritage gives a large bluff check and immunity to magical discernment.
Now the feinds have a spy that can infiltrate all major holy planes. Or if you think the gods are too powerful to be fooled in this fashion you put it in a party with religious obligation Paladins and such and have then sent around unknowingly doing work for evil ends under the direction of their new spiritual guide.
It CAN happen (I'm not sure if it's supported by the rules) but it would not be a Half calestial/Half feind .
I totally agree with this. It could never be a template (since you don't have base creature, as mentioned above), but it could result in a strange but interesting monster. How powerful? Depends on the parents (It wouldn't be the same a Half Hound Archon/Half Dretch that a Half Solar/Half Balor).
It CAN happen (I'm not sure if it's supported by the rules) but it would not be a Half calestial/Half feind .I totally agree with this. It could never be a template (since you don't have base creature, as mentioned above), but it could result in a strange but interesting monster. How powerful? Depends on the parents (It wouldn't be the same a Half Hound Archon/Half Dretch that a Half Solar/Half Balor).
Hmm...rule wise you could get pretty close. Take a Plane-Touched Aasimar or Tiefling and then throw on the Half-Fiend or Half Celestial Template.
Not quite the same but definitly opens up some backstory - either a rise or fall from grace of a line touched by angels or demons/devils.
Hmm...rule wise you could get pretty close. Take a Plane-Touched Aasimar or Tiefling and then throw on the Half-Fiend or Half Celestial Template.Not quite the same but definitly opens up some backstory - either a rise or fall from grace of a line touched by angels or demons/devils.
Good point!
Sounds interesting. I like the idea of adding the opposing template to an aasimar or a tiefling. Let everyone know how this works out.
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Sorry to drag this out of the archives, but I had to comment: I've got a 13th level Tiefling Paladin I've been playing for a couple of years now, and he's getting ready to enter a PrC that will, at the end, grant him the Half-Celestial template. It's all very much in his backstory (the quick: A Tulani eladrin discovered and preempted a Pit Fiend's thousand-year plan to create an army of mortal fiends by beating him to it. Several hundred years later, Keleth's (my character) mother, descended from the pit fiend, falls into the eladrin's trap (like so many others) and weds the son of an aasimar. This is the kind of Eladrin who would pretend to fall for a succubus, then tell her after the fact that he had a Sexually Transmitted Affliction (holy disease)).
Sorry I'm late! I've been off fighting 4th Lv. Bills from the lands of Ree'al Itay. lol.
In any case *ahem*:
Good ideas guys, but I think you're all looking at this from a Player's standpoint! The reason I asked was because I am creating a demi-god of sorts. The Avatar. A spawn between Heaven, and the Nine levels of Hell! With his birth came the world's first laws...and punishment. Of course, the Avatar was binded into a simple ring that hangs over the center-ceiling of the large Wizard's Guild in Rivendale, but it could be claimed by a new power, for his/her own desires...
So! With this in mind, maybe this'll help flesh a few things out! (It's an NPC Boss, not a player's choice!)
Well its your game, do as you like.
Create the stats and introduce it.
Think of a story that makes sense - a fiend rapes a celestial, the celestial can't bear to let the life that takes root die.
And the creature is raised to adult hood and corrupted by, well whatever you want really.
There is no rule - if you want to add multiple templates - fine. If rather than fiendish - some draconic template makes more sense for the villain you want use that.
Your palyers will think the result you develop whether silly or cool will depend not on the stats, but on how it fits with the story and the action you have planned.
Sorry I'm late! I've been off fighting 4th Lv. Bills from the lands of Ree'al Itay. lol.
I guess mine have acquired the Intrr Est template from soaking in the hellish fires of Ay Pi Arh. Damn those bills of Ree'al Itay! We must lead a crusade against them and their hellish minions of Mort Gaage and Rintaal Kompani!
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Sorry I'm late! I've been off fighting 4th Lv. Bills from the lands of Ree'al Itay. lol.I guess mine have acquired the Intrr Est template from soaking in the hellish fires of Ay Pi Arh. Damn those bills of Ree'al Itay! We must lead a crusade against them and their hellish minions of Mort Gaage and Rintaal Kompani!
Not to mention Ka'ar Noat and Enz Yurents
I say a half-fiend/half-celestial is completely feasable... just call him Little Nicky.