| Woontal |
I was reading a recent article by Skip Williams that read:
Other Options While Pinning an Opponent
Here are a few optional maneuvers for use against a foe you've pinned.
Toss Your Foe: Make an opposed grapple check as a melee attack. If you succeed, you can literally pick up your foe (provided you can lift your foe's weight). Make a Strength check; if your result is at least 10, you toss your foe 5 feet. For every 5 points your Strength check result exceeds 10, you toss your foe another 5 feet, to a maximum of 25 feet.
So given this interpretation, would the size modifiers of a creature affect this roll, and would creatures with Supernatural flying abilities be able to resist the force of the throw (assuming that natural flyers would not be able to manuever into correct flying stance in time)?
I'm a big fan of snatching dragons throwing PC fighters into PC mages, so I'm wondering about hit rolls, ranges, and so on...
DeadDMWalking
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If you think that rule should apply in your games, talk to your players. As long as they know in advance, it shouldn't be a problem.
Now, as for additional rules for hitting your opponent, I would apply some hefty penalties. First of all, -4 for non-proficiency. If you are a medium creature throwing another medium creature, I would apply another -4 size penalty (-2 for small and -0 for tiny). I'd apply a range increment penalty for every square after 5' (5-foot range). If the dragon is trying to throw the creature 20' that would be another -8. If the attack hits, it deals damage to both creatures based on the size of the thrown creature, plus strength bonus.
| Steve Greer Contributor |
I was reading a recent article by Skip Williams that read:
Other Options While Pinning an Opponent
Here are a few optional maneuvers for use against a foe you've pinned.
Toss Your Foe: Make an opposed grapple check as a melee attack. If you succeed, you can literally pick up your foe (provided you can lift your foe's weight). Make a Strength check; if your result is at least 10, you toss your foe 5 feet. For every 5 points your Strength check result exceeds 10, you toss your foe another 5 feet, to a maximum of 25 feet.
So given this interpretation, would the size modifiers of a creature affect this roll, and would creatures with Supernatural flying abilities be able to resist the force of the throw (assuming that natural flyers would not be able to manuever into correct flying stance in time)?
I'm a big fan of snatching dragons throwing PC fighters into PC mages, so I'm wondering about hit rolls, ranges, and so on...
I read the same thing. To answer your question, remember this: any time the pinning creature wants to do something to the creature it's pinning, it has to win an opposed grapple check. So, yes, size modifiers and every other applicable modifiers count. Considering that a creature like an ogre on average weighs about 625 lbs., a character with less than a 19 Strength has no hopes of ever tossing the creature anywhere (see the PHB pg. 162). And anything larger than that, forget about it. Smaller creatures, though...
If you like having big creatures toss PCs into things (very cool), including other PCs, use the section on falling objects in the DMG pg. 303 and apply a -4 penalty for an improvised weapon if it is actually aiming at another creature (ranged attack roll), supposing the creature can actually hurl the PC far enough. Even if the ranged attack roll misses, but is enough to hit the target PC's touch AC, you may opt to still have the targeted character have to make a DC 15 Reflex save to avoid falling prone with his buddy on top of him. Or not.
In the case of dragons. The details on distance they can throw is already described in the Snatch feat. Otherwise, go with the above suggestions for other little details.
| trapmaster |
So given this interpretation, would the size modifiers of a creature affect this roll, and would creatures with Supernatural flying abilities be able to resist the force of the throw (assuming that natural flyers would not be able to manuever into correct flying stance in time)?
Yeah. I doubt that a halfling, no matter it's strength, could throw an ogre. I don't think that they should be able to throw anyone that is a size catagory larger than them.