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Ok let’s take a look shall we?

You begin by telling us you like twitch games, then go on with 2 posts about making macros, in post 2 regarding macros you state “The only way around that is at least slightly action based combat”

Another 4 posts singing the praises of macros HOWEVER in post 4 you state “If I notice the situation calls for something different then the end result will be me letting go of the A button and holding down B or C instead. Like I said, it would be foolish to make a script that can't be stopped.” Here you clearly state your intention to use macros in PFO

Moving on to your next post you inform us that “They'll know it's cheating, but do it anyways.” Then drop in the “putting at least a little action into combat is just as important.” Comment again as a method to counter act macros

Next is a post suggesting short battles to counter macro use

Then a post asking me “Tell me when you keep losing fights, knowing the other guy is playing in a way that seems more "boring" to you but is giving him an edge that you won't get bored of the nonsense.”

How would I know? If someone beats me they beat me why would I instantly assume they had to use a macro to win?

Moving on to your next post, you begin by dropping another thinly veiled pro twitch comment “I agree that combat should have nothing to do with macros and more to do with character skill, although I'd like to see a large share of that be player skill as well.

Then follow that you state “Nothing more boring than a combat oriented game that does all the combat for you (ie. 99.999% based on character skill).”

Can we all say twitch fest?

You finish this post with another doom and gloom “everyone else will do it” comment on macros

You end this with two final posts attacking me and telling me how I have no clue.

Here’s a clue, go back, read YOUR posts and tell me how your not actually a PRO TWITCH, MACROING, TROLL?

I'll stick with my statements, care to change any of yours?

you don't get it at all dude. There is no endgame, being king of PvP will be totally meaningless, no reason for anything beyond whatever level of player interaction each player decides for themself.

If I'm part of a guild that meets my social desires I still win.

If I choose to spend 12 hours a day crafting and never use a macro I win,

if I choose to spend my days playing scarecrow in a local farm field I win.

if I log in and do anything, macro or not, that gives me enough pleasure to keep playing how have I lost? you seem determined to convince me that unless I see the light and come over to your vision of PFO that I've somehow lost and should move on.

my hope is that PFO doesn't become a macro twitchfest it's nothing personal, I don't see why your determined to make it so

Onishi is right on the money! a monopoly is exactly what it will be

I'm concerned that unless we settle a hex ourselves, most of us will always be dependent on someone else to train. While some dependence on others is fine, being able to play shouldn't be dependent on the whim of someone else, and by denying a player access to training you can effectively stop a player from playing the game at peek ability until they cave to your demands or they can find a settlement that will allow them to train at a price they can afford.

Will settlement A, created on day one of early enrollment basically always be ahead of settlement X created a year down the road? One would think so unless the folks at settlement A are real slackers, this would give members of settlement A a huge advantage in construction of training facilities able to offer the highest levels of training.

If the members of settlement A decide to close or severely limit membership they now hold an advantage over a large portion of the player base that will be VERY hard to overcome.

Or I can see settlement A, large and powerful, but involved in a long drawn out war with several smaller neighbors offering the latest greatest training ONLY to those who agree to serve in their army.

Or how about this, I come along, I'm not a member of settlement A and I want to train, settlement A will not allow non-members to use up the "limited" training slots available at their training hall, however settlement A is the only one to offer that skill what do I do?

Or take that same scenario, however this time lets say I'm one of the founders of settlement X and need to train a skill. I travel to settlement A, who invite me to train ONLY IF I'll leave settlement X and pay 3x the going rate, or marry their ugly sister, etc...

It basically comes down to a case of the “haves vs. the have nots” where the “haves” are always in a position to demand whatever they choose.

I'm just hope that I'm totally off on all the negative things I can see coming with this system.

Am I the only one here who has met every idiot in charge of anything player run in any game?

It sounds good but wont this method of training penalize new/small settlements? How will you build in a trade off to make a new settlement worth the "player set" price of training?

I can easily see a settlement refusing training to someone who left to start their own settlement, then what?

I'm also wondering how this will play out with people who prefer to play solo? gonna be tough to train without kissing the behind of someone. and I can totally see the "join our settlement and pay 3x our normal tax rate for a year or no training" crap when they have you over a barrel.

Starting to feel like I'm beating my head against a wall here

@okimbored tell me you won't get bored if you can't keep up the precision button mashing that people using macros can. Tell me when you keep losing fights, knowing the other guy is playing in a way that seems more "boring" to you but is giving him an edge that you won't get bored of the nonsense.

I won't get bored because IF captain macro gets his jollies by repeatedly killing me he'll have a heinous flag in a day and be hunted like an animal, or he'll be banned for griefing.

Look I don't have an issue with simple macros that remove hours of tedium while crafting or whatever, but at some point in a combat situation it should have VERY LITTLE to do with my macro building or button mashing and 99.9% to do with the skill levels and abilities of my toon.

If a level 1 toon walks up to a lvl 5 toon and takes a poke at him the lvl 1 SHOULD DIE 99.999% of the time PERIOD, if not the game is essentially broken because char skill means nothing and it's really just macros online with a bonus to whomever has the fastest internet

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, I totally get what he said

I've written macros that repeatedly run quests over and over in DDO. Your xp per run drops each time you repeat a quest, but that penalty bottoms out after 20 runs, and a 90% penalty still amounts to a little slice of xp, which is plenty if it's not taking any of your own personal time.

I've levelled up a TR character in DDO through level 4 without completing a single quest myself - all macro'd. And I'm not a professional programmer either. Given that, responding to specific buffs/debuffs, or a simple stop key or scenario is a piece of cake. Anybody here on these forums can have it figured out in not time by just reading up on .ahk

again I say whay play? if I'm so bored with a game that I would rather make a macro to play for me then actually play, my time could be much better spent elsewhere

so if making macros is the answer to everything, why not play macros online instead?

Nothing personal Blaeringr, you sound like a pretty sharp guy actually, but the gaming experience you describe doesn't sound like much fun to me, and that's still the point of playing.

There really is no winning in an online game. With the exception of a small number of players who go on to actual game design/production nothing anyone does in an MMO is going to get them a prettier spouse,a happy marrage, a better job, a bigger house, or a better car.

I'd say that if your to the point in any MMO that it's just as fun to make a macro that will play the entire game for you while you take a nap, then to actually play the game, it's probably time to move on.

if the systen takes one command every "x" seconds and stores commands in a cue, so a macro could work, would also be a death trap without a method to instantly clear that cue. No clear = no macros

I like twitch based games. For one thing, it cuts down on macroing, and boring repetition. Also, I'm too young to play bridge at the old folks' home ;)

I'd bet i was playing Avatar and Moria on CERL/PLATO before many of the people here were a glimmer in dad's eye :)

twitch fest is the first thing i thought of while reading this. I like games as much as the next guy but I'm to damn old to play twitch games with 10 yr olds

I think by the time a casual player mouses over and tries to figure out the flags he'll be dead ;)

hmmm yep i did, where the hell? hmmm thats VERY annoying

wow 6 pages and no mention of the only thing that really caught my attention.

"For each day a player does not lose any law vs. chaos points, they earn law vs. chaos points at a rate that accelerates each day, so the longer they remain lawful the faster they get points. Characters with high law vs. chaos can also give law vs. chaos points from their own pool to more chaotic players to reward lawful behavior the system can't quantify, though the amount is limited."

so I will gain lawful points for doing nothing, and if I have some extra Lawful points laying around I can just gift them to whoever I please?

will chaotic people be able to do the same? if bonehead the barb hasn't done anything chaotic today he might need those points :P

A person doesn't become more lawful from a lack of chaotic activity any more then a lawful person becomes more chaotic, they simply stay the same. if we palce a person in jail and do nothing else with him, he shouldn't come out lawful just because of a lack of opportunity. He should come out the same person as he went in. The policeman doesn't become more Chaotic if he doesn't make an arrest for a week

Also if we go back to the thread on settlement alignment, how could you maintain any chaotic settlement? everyone person there is automatically on the path to Lawful

Also with all these flags will there be a semaphore skill?

how were pets handled in UO? i bailed about the time they came out

The true problem with any alignment system is that PFO will follow whatever its programmers decide. What that system will fail to realize is that people have differing ideas as to what is good or evil, or more accurately how we all divide the gray area between them.

Perhaps once upon a time the world was black and white, but it's been varying shades of gray for a very long time now and a computer just can't judge situational ethics like a live DM would.

In a black and white world when your faced with a lesser of two evils choice your screwed either way.

PFO seems to be trying to remove the "ends justify the means" mentality that most of the world runs on these days.

Personally I'm done thinking about alignments, the Devs have a year+ to figure it all out, and either I'll play or I won't

tons of people should have someone with them. Putting on a suit of armor is a multi person activity, you also wouldn't sleep in armor, and would have someone along the lines of a squire to clean, maintain, and dress you.

To a point you could think of anyone in a suit of metal armor as a modern day tank, how many people does it take to operate and maintain one of those?

I see your point Onishi, but I'm not so sure it couldn't work on some combination of Refresh, Utility, and Consumable slots, beyond looking cool a human pet that recreates the effects (and burns charges) of potions or wands you carry would make a pretty cool pet that really does nothing.

also it seems like having a humanoid shaped pet could make for a cool "slaver" ability

The COH mastermind pets work pretty well,
LOTRO has several variations of heralds to carry your banner and stuff.

I don't see a good reason it couldn't be done in PFO, if everyone else can make it work

I guess I don't really see what you want the "pet" to do for you, but as for the concerns over PvP lag and play complication, how would either of those be any worse with a humanoid shaped pet over an animal one?

Spellhammer you need to start at the top of this post and READ IT, up to and including the post by Stephen Cheney.

You’re welcome to have whatever alignments in your settlement you care to have and if as you suggest "have all alignments in a city. Those who don't match the city laws might have to step lightly. However, there is no reason they could not live in the most Lawful Good town in game."

Your correct, HOWEVER as it's currently being described, allowing those evil toons into your LG settlement WILL eventually, quicker if their numbers are left unchecked, shift its (the settlements) alignment and will eventually force your LG toon to leave your own settlement

In reference to settlements Stephen Cheney wrote, "We'll have some manner of warning mechanism to make it apparent when you're getting close to crossing over into one of the other spaces on the alignment chart. Once you cross over, buildings that required the previous alignment will stop working (though new buildings may become available) and members now more than one step away will no longer be members (though we will probably include some kind of transition state so they or the settlement can try to adjust alignment to avoid getting kicked out instantly)."

To me the question comes down to the act of detection, and how PFO views it. As a long time PnP DM, I always considered the act of detecting evil (or good) by a pally or cleric as an attack, if my evil toon walks into a town and "Joe pally" uses a detect evil on me, HE gets the attacker flag as the aggressor and should be flagged as such regardless of alignments or motive.

I wish it would end here, I'm freezing, and tired of all the snow

I guess it's a good thing those $5000 taverns are "between settlements" but I still have to wonder what happens to all the time, R/L money? whatever it takes to own a shop inside a settlement when I get the boot due to a settlement alignment shift?

Alignment shifting of player settlements sounds like a much bigger and "better" method of large scale griefing then anything one idiot could do in PvP lol

I love how a game 15 years ago did something that people today are saying is to complicated to do, I guess UO was WAY ahead of it's time lol.

I can totally understand if it's understandably low position on the priority list means it won't happen, but I'd sure like to think not everyone here will still be playing on the same 386 computer with dial-up they had in 1997.

not only would I like to see discarded loot on the ground for X amount of time I also like to see permanent player made books in the game as well (remember those?)

Personally, if player thieves can break into my house while I’m offline and steal. Pathfinder will never see a dime from me . About the only way I would even consider playing under those rules would be a Permadeath sentence for failed thieves

In an MMO, every player wants to be the hero and wants to be the center of the story, the problem is no one really is because it's all a level playing field. You don't run into the simple farmer, the shepherd, the blacksmith or the innkeeper. The only people you run into are wizards, rangers, thieves, knights, clerics and all the variations in between,

The most fun I EVER had playing LOTRO was farming, and look at all the people playing Farmville and Hempville on Facebook, don't tell me you can't get people to play farmers and other "simple folk" you just need an enjoyable system for doing it, at a price people are willing to pay