Very Well spoken +5
I agree 100%
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
Actually - I believe you're thinking 3.0 where there were various difficulties at getting through DR/magic. I'm reasonably sure that 3.5 did away with it.
Yes that would be the point. Not for all monsters but for a few big baddies. Now by the rules many big baddies either die in 1-3 rounds, or have to be buffed up with lots of spells or adding many more HPs. It all seems like an unnecessary exercise.
There are a lot of low level spells and/or abilities that overcome then easily. Yes at very low level it take up spells that have other uses, but at level 5+ not so much and at 9+ many casters have so many spells its almost a non issue...
The point is that when the monsters and DR was created there were few ways around it. Now there are many. This means the toughness of monsters is degraded. The game is Player vs monsters, so DR/10 magic should be devastated, unless there is 1 1st level divine caster there.Any group with such a character will make sort work of a creature. What I'm really saying is while players have gotten a lot more powerful and creatures have not. Its all a matter of balance. I find that monsters CR are not the same as earlier in the game...
I feel that there are a number of rules that need some work how about you?
One rule I find needing the be changed is damage reduction. It worked for a while but now not so much.
Well that was not what my reply was about. I was saying is that the current state of play is not working for myself and at least 2 dozen people I regularly play with. Perhaps its just different styles of play. I have to say I think there a number large holes in the system that should be looked into by somebody, either them or a three party. It's hard to find anyone who thought the last book was at all useful. In the last year or so the quality for pathfinder products has been on the decline. Perhaps everything is just find and my groups are just abnormal.I hope pathfinder lives forever and perhaps I just nit-picking. I just thought someone by now had considered this.
So how would you determine if there are problems?I think a poll could be useful.
I guess we could just wait until people stop playing...
I not saying a poll would be perfect but it can be used as a tool.
Vocal minority being a problem?
yes that can happen. But many times in history the vocal minorities were right.
And your right the is no guarantees in anything. the only guarantee is doing nothing will result in nothing...
Really? So you think there are no issues in pathfinder? Or that only a few people are troubled by them?
I've played in and GMed many games, and I've seen many players being unhappy with the pathfinder system. I've seen it before at the end of 3.5DD.
It is true that a DM can remove or change anything about the game, that why a buy games and splat book so I don't have to. I don't have the time to change everything that bothers me. Nor do the other DM's. I've cut back buying Pathfinder material and may stop it completely.
If I'm one of the very few people who sees problems perhaps, then I should just stop supporting Pathfinder...
Wow people seem to like the book a lot more here, than they do a round here. I know 15 people who bought it and no one liked it. 3 said it was okay, 6 people thought it might be good if majorly edited, 3 said it was the poorest edited and/or playtested book yet, and 3 wanted there money back. All of them suggested they will not buy book without someone scouting them out first.
I thought there was some good in the book, but was shocked on the very poor edit and balance. I was concerned that something had changed with the production staff.
I hope this is just a rare bad apple, rather than a trend.
On another note about pathfinder system, Has anyone found a solution to the increasing time that higher level combats rounds take? I noticed higher the level characters are the the player take more and more time to complete there rounds. This is more common with spell casters...
I'd be open to suggestions
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
I agree completely. In general I only kill players for bad or really bad ideas like lets bug the evil wizards guide because we can... lets poke the sleeping dragon..
They disliked it greatly...
Some of the reasons given:
2. They really liked some parts to game system, but game mechanics and rules prevent logical and rational actions from being useful.
I run many games at conventions and other one time events and I was wondering if anyone else had encountered a problem with trying to introducing new players to the rule system. This is not just playing 1st level characters in a simple encounters.
Erik Keith wrote:
Thanks I try that...
I somewhat agree with you, for a long time I bought almost everything they printed, Now I'm planning to skip the robot path completely...
I just finished rereading Path of the righteous, and I noticed 3 of the books had pages falling out after 2-3 readings. Book 2,5,6 have pages completely lose. Book2 has about 1/3 of the pages came out as a block.
Not so, I like to play games where life can get complicated... Just there seems to be a very low number of good creatures..
Who said they were allies??
Ahh, I so want to play this, but I dont think I'll find a GM that is willing to run it... We'l see when summer comes.
I agree my player have zero or less interest in playing pathfinder in any techno mode... They will play Prirate with guns barely, and will not go Russia... The love sc fi games just not in a pathfinder...
I might play in such a game but would not run/ buy it...
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Don't let the haters sway you, Erik! Bring on the Lovecraft! I can't wait to get my hands on that shiny gug, and I have a small army of denizens of Leng in my collection already. >: )
I not that i dislike Lovecraft, its just the opposite, I love love them but poor figures are not much better than none... Also I know that this set is not a continuation of the woc sets. Would it be so bad to look into what was done prior art? They have made better figure in the hero click line...
I'm not a hater, but anyone who dislikes anything is so labelled. I like many of the figures, but given the vast number made by many companies a complete look at what is out there might help...
You can start the hate again...
My god, why can't we get a gargantuan green dragon? I am sick of settling for a modded McFarlane or a substandard toy version. Can we start a petition or something? People have been waiting for this one for nearly a decade when WotC first started making the Gargantuans. When Paizo picked up the torch on this, I was overjoyed...and yet they make other colors again and again. I don't care who makes it or how much it costs, just freaken make it already. At this point, I'd easily pay twice what I payed for my colossal red, and I know about 3 dozen other people who feel the same way.
I agree 100%, and more to the point the selection of monsters needs some work... I still don't understand why we are still getting some crappy version of DD mini make 10+ years ago. The price point is poor and the Blue dragon is okay at best. And don't get me started on the Lovecraften creatures...
I found the elements good, some only okay, but useful.
Vassago Embrace wrote:
I disagree with you, I've always said it was better to print in the USA and pay more, than using cheap labor and very questionable production in china.
While I like a lot about The products, I have a few questions:
1. Why in the world do player almost always require, dealing with very evil groups in adventures. I at first liked that some encounters had that as an option. Now my players find it as bad as being captured.
2. Some of the choices of the mini being produced.
3. And Having content repeated in other products.
It may sound harsh but, I really like most of the products, and these things are bugging me more and more.
I agree 100%. If would prefer more monster, less humanoids. Also more monsters Pathfinder specific, not done in other lines.
Another agreement.Just because some people will aways buy something does mean the set will be successful. I do buy a lot of gaming items, but will not be buying these. (Other than a few in the secondary market.
Very few countries use corn based anything but us. The cost of growing corn is just too high. That goes for ethanol as well (we couldn't either if not for massive tax breaks and govermental support. Have you seen any of China's factories? I have.
Yes, I'm sure the Chinese version EPA keeps up with the latest green tech.And burning plastics is even worse.
Recycling is not as easy in all areas, the point why produce such a large amount of "waste" in the first place. Reduce-recycle-reuse. Most plastic reuse requires a lot of energy.
Jason Grubiak wrote:
I agree with you 100%.
pres man wrote:
I agree 100%.
I hope we can all agree with more choices are better that fewer.And we can laugh about all the differences.
Agreed, also and few figure could be much improved with some extra details.
Drego Morthain wrote:
I agree with many of your points, this packaging has got to produce more waste had figure. While there a number of good figures, I will not be buying more sets. I simply but to nice ones.