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One of the greats has left us. R.I.P.
This coming wekend we will play at level 20 and going after Demogorgon in a VERY long running Savage Tide campaign. Level 20 is my preferred level, or at least 15+.
Nothing in Pathfinder is too good.
/Threadrezz Yeah I had to do it. I cancelled my AP subscription. I don't mind that this AP exists, but I don't have to buy it. The next two ones looks a lot better though.
Don't know if it matters to anyone, but last week I had yet another character reach level 20 having played it from level 1. A Ranger this time. I have played both clerics, and wizards to level 20 before and can honestly say there is nothing broken about level 15-20. That is the sweet spot where the game is most fun. Now we're looking forward to using our capstone abilities and continue our campaign for a long time still. Level 20 is where the real game begins imo.
The classes should not be balanced imo. They are already a bit too balanced for my taste.
Yes, I have played all the so called underpowered classes, and found that none of them are really underpowered at all. The oposite is also true, from experience I can honestly say there are no overpowered classes either.
Necromancy can be used for good!
Not a problem. Yes. You seem to be quite literally overreacting.
Wait wasn't this thread once about reasons to unsubscribe for iron gods? I don't mind. This is good stuff.
Jumps into the flamewar without reading anything but the topic of the thread and calls everyone insulting names for even discussing this.
I'm not sure how else to get the message across that I'm not interested in seeing more AP's with a big influence of technology/sci-fi. So I guess the only way is voting with my wallet. I hope others do the same so we get as little as possible of this sort of thing in the future. It will be interesting to see how popular something like this is going to be. To everyone looking forward to this, please don't take offense. I hope you have fun with it.
Don't. Take a break, or modify the campaign to accomodate two players. This is my advice.
If SKR had anything to do with making Pathfinder what is is today, the man is a genius! And I think he did :-) Live long and prosper Sean. Good Luck!
He smokes manure from a piece of plumbing. I just find that impressive.
I'm sad Paizo has said no to stats for gods, and rules for levels Beyond 20. Imo the more fantastic stories you can play within the rules the more fun it is.
You can roleplay just fine with an int score of 7. Speaking in character, interacting with others and so on don't necessarily have to involve skill checks.
Any thoughts on E6? My thoughts is that it's the worst idea ever, and would be no fun at all.
I actually WANT the classes to be unbalanced.
Yes
I've played pen and paper rpg's for over 15 years now and i have to say that not for a long time have I been so excited about creating characters as I have for the last couple of years With Herolab. I buy most pathfinder books in print, but for Herolab I buy everything. Not only is it cheaper to buy in herolab, but I find it gets more use there. I buy the most important books in print/paper, and they are invaluable as references during gameplay, but these days we create most of our characters in Herolab, and I must say I do prefer it. It just goes so much faster and easier. One Catch though is i've had to help some New players that I GM for make some characters that didn't have Herolab and I was surprised how fast my know how/skill at creating characters the old fashioned way on just paper had faded. It really is a skill that needs maintaining. In conclusion I say that Herolab is great if you already know the basics of the game, but if you have access to herolab as you learn this game it might be a hinderance towards really Learning the rules. What say you all?
This show had me interested, but by episode 4 it was apparant it was just crap. I'm sorry to see it go down like this, cause it showed some promise.
It does not go without saying. I disagree there is a power disparity at any Level, nor a flip.
I think most of them are silly and unnecessary. I don't really know why I don't like them, but I prefer playing classes that are part of the long tradition of this great hobby.
A Numeria AP is the only thing I can think of that would make me cancel my subscription for 6 months. Imo thar sort of thing has no place in a fantasy setting I want to play in. I generally like Golarion as long as I just ignore the existence of Numeria.
Good descision. That's how I've always thought it worked, and how we always ran it.
The casters should be the shot callers and the go to guys for anyting at high levels. Yes. What's the problem with this? It just makes sense to me.I'd be okay with that if your talking about NPCs, particularly characters of higher levels than the players. However it doesn't work very well when your basically saying the guy your working with is your "go to guy" who solves all your problems. What is this, the wizard and friends? yes, that's what's most fun to me. Even when I'm playing the fighter. I still get the most excited about fighter type charecters, and I don't feel one bit belitteled by the casters. I'm the macho man after all. And when I do play the wizard I delight in the knowledge that I own the world and all must submit to me. This is how it should be and your characater is always what you make it yourself. Mechanics matter little. Nerfing casters though destoys the entire game and all fun to be had within it! TRUTH! Believe me for I know all.
I do enjoy a role play heavvy game where really stats don't matter at all, it's all down to the individual player. In conclusion the worst anyone can ever do is to try to be like 4th.E D&D and balance classes, because balance is the death of role playing. The casters should be the shot callers and the go to guys for anyting at high levels. Yes. What's the problem with this? It just makes sense to me. I do Gm a bit, but I mostly play. When I play I think I play about 40% caster characters. but it was more fun before in third edition when casters had their rightful place at the top of the hierarchy. I repeat again that balance is the death or role playing.
I don't think a character with 7 int needs to be very dumb at all. He is just a bit below average intelligence. Not to be insulting, but I'm sure there are many posters on this forum that have a 7 int score in real life, just as there are above average ones.
It boils down to two things really for me. 1. I'm relatively certain that while some things would be improved, other things that were changed for the worse going from d&d into pf (balance issues mostly, nerfing of certain spells [I am against balancing the classes further]) would go further in the wrong direction making any new edition an overall worse game. 2. A new edition would mean no more support/releases for the original pf, meaning I would eventually be forced to play the new game because I can't play it alone. So those are the main reasons, and also I strongly feel that although there are some issues with the system, they are very minor and completely workable. I have played almost every week since pathfinder came out and I just don't agree with people saying this and that is broken.
Funny how WotC has taught people that the game must follow the "completely new edition every 5 years" paradigm. Call of Cthulhu players must be amused, in particular :_ Exactly, and in Pathfinders case we don't need a new edition at all.
none of course
I know very little of this character really so bear with me. Also I know stats and wealth is very high. I used 25 point buy and +5 inherit bonus to all stats. gear value is well over 1million gp Anyway here it is straight from herolab. Elvanna
Possession of a metamagic rod does not confer the associated feat on the owner, only the ability to use the given feat a specified number of times per day. A sorcerer still must take a full-round action when using a metamagic rod, just as if using a metamagic feat he possesses (except for quicken metamagic rods, which can be used as a swift action). The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are maximized as though using the Maximize Spell feat. Greater metamagic rods can be used with spells of 9th level or lower. Construction
Possession of a metamagic rod does not confer the associated feat on the owner, only the ability to use the given feat a specified number of times per day. A sorcerer still must take a full-round action when using a metamagic rod, just as if using a metamagic feat he possesses (except for quicken metamagic rods, which can be used as a swift action). The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are quickened as though using the Quicken Spell feat. Greater metamagic rods can be used with spells of 9th level or lower. Construction
Possession of a metamagic rod does not confer the associated feat on the owner, only the ability to use the given feat a specified number of times per day. A sorcerer still must take a full-round action when using a metamagic rod, just as if using a metamagic feat he possesses (except for quicken metamagic rods, which can be used as a swift action). The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are quickened as though using the Quicken Spell feat. Lesser metamagic rods can be used with spells of 3rd level or lower. Construction
This artifact was crafted ages ago, weaving together wispy strands of shadow into a twisted black staff. The Shadowstaff makes the wielder slightly shadowy and incorporeal, granting him a +4 bonus to AC and on Reflex saves (which stacks with any other bonuses). However, in bright light (such as that of the sun, but not a torch) or in absolute darkness, the wielder takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saves, and checks. The Shadowstaff also has these powers. • Summon Shadows: Three times per day the staff may summon 2d4 shadows. Immune to turning, they serve the wielder as if called by a summon monster V spell cast at 20th level.
Destruction
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A cone of ice that deals 1d4 cold damage. The cold also causes living creatures to be
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I enjoy constantly jumping in MMO's and want to see it included.
They're not broken. You got killed that's all. That is supposed to happen sometimes.
Thac0 was relativally easy on low level... but at high level, when both Thac0 and AC was negative, it could be a real pain in the ass. +1 It was still workable, but a considerable pain in the ass imo.
This thread made me want bacon. Going to go buy some after work :p
Ehhm.. who cares? PS. I'm being a jerk now, so please delete this post.
In a word yes. We hardly do it at all anymore, but there is nothing as exciting and thrilling as fighting another player. You know it's him or you and not just some BBEG the GM won't mind having die. If done right it can be a lot of fun. Even if we're not outright fighting eachother, but also the plotting and scheming. One GM I know does this really well, but usually we work together nowadays.
I currently play a rouge, and I'm happy enough with the class as it is. Sure it could be a bit stronger, but it doesn't need to be. The existance of ninjas doesn't take away from my enjoyment of playing a rouge.
Ah, so now that endless debate is finally done with: Taking ten on spellcraft to craft magic items. Allowed! Good decision, and the right one. Honestly I'm surprised this needed to be FAQ'd. It has always been there in the core rulebook since day 1.
Broken spells is a myth.
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
I don't think the orb spells was broken, and snowball seems just fine too.
I don't think classes should be balanced. It can be fun to play less powerful classes too. Too much balance makes everything bland imo.
Be an elf
It's an extreme stand to take I know, but if the general concensus of this forum is anything to judge by, then the ideal new pathfinder edition of most people wold be the first new edition of the game that would be substantially worse than the previos one. I trust in the good people of Paizo to make better decisions than this though, but the climate in this forum has gotten me worried. Hence this thread. Because most of the things people replying to this thread have suggested that they would want for a new edtion of the game I would not want to see. For me it would cheapen the game.
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