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Not worried, just thread post feedback seem clumsy as a way of gaining feedback. I'd prefer a website survey system, last page a comments section if someone wanted too.

Like reading this thread for skill feats...what are they going to take away from it? 15 vocal pro this or that and 5 dont like it, strung out through 500 posts...yeah that's a good system to parse through as 2 games designers on the same system might take away different changes that need to be worked on.

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how will paizo garner playtest feedback? Forum threads like on the forums here or website surveys with email login or IP address?

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I hope this is a over the top idea that gets whacked during the play test cause it's really bonkers to have this type stuff in the game as is.

Edit - I'm still a little salty over the horrible mythic rules...and even that was supposedly play tested? Probably paizo s version of 4e hiccup in my opinion.

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Pre-ordered! Looking forward to trying it out :)

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Andrew Crossett wrote:

I think PF needed simplification, but not in terms of the mechanics. Option bloat was the biggest issue. A quick look at the direction of PF 2E makes it look like they're going in the direction of D&D 5E... simplifying the game too much for my tastes.

Yes, I know options are just options... but PF was including references to non-core options in most of their products, making it difficult to easily play the game without all the supplements.

My ideal PF would be the core rulebook, the Bestiaries, the Golarion world books, and maybe one or two "Unearthed Arcana" type expansions. Unfortunately, the reality of being a game publisher is that you have to keep coming out with new product.

This looks like it will be the final death of the d20 system, which is a shame. I think it was the ideal RPG system.

I see PF2 being similar long term with feats quickly adding up in the new edition, much like PF1 having 2-3k in feats...not my cup of tea anymore and stopped playing pathfinder.

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Yes I know that paizo has a good many sales via direct sales off their site but dang, 12 of the top 20 fantasy books on Amazon are D&D releases, most aren't recent releases either.

PHB is 25th on all books list.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/16211/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_books_1_3_ last

Paizo was smart in the staffinder release cause they have a revenue stream coming in at least while they create their PF2e out late next year.

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The 5e PHB is still selling over a thousand copies a day on Amazon, 3.5 years after initial release....now that's amazing! I'm doubtful that even when PF2 comes out that it can overtake such a huge lead.

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Keith McVay wrote:

One thing I will say is that 5E got it right in the amount of products it releases, which are minimal.

- 3 Core Books
- An adventure HC or 2 a year
- One crunch/fluff combo book about a specific topic

So in 4 years they have (I think)

- 3 Core Books
- 8 Adventures
- 3 Fluff/Crunch Niche Books (Volo, Mordenkainen and Xanathar)

I don't think people want non-stop books of feats and mediocre classes. Sales of 5E seem to indicate this and my personal buying preferences align with this philosophy.

Amen and agreeed! I bought the first few APs which were great but i stopped buying cause I already had enough to use in my lifetime so a slower release schedule fits my buying habits than the book of the month club Paizo release trend.

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Why is it OGL based or compatible? Allows third parties to also make stuff for it?

As far as the initial read, I'm hesitant cause of the feats already being talking about being designed into. Ancestry feat at creation and a class feat every level? Can we expect to see the headache of feat trees and new feats in every single publication so it swells to a number north on "way to many?"

I'm on the fence but leaning toward the tap out already.

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Looking at using this in an upcoming session with the downed tree an escape route over the ravine. Quick question - what depth would you all say the water level is below the jungle floor? 10 to 20 feet doesn't seem dangerous enough so I was going with 50 ft with steeped angles down to the small stream below. Opinions?

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Thanks, very pleased to hear!!

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How will the game look for 900k when Pillars raised 4 mil and took 3 years from Kickstarter end to game sale? Might have already been asked but still kind off slow to get behind it after getting burned by the failed Pathfinder mmo fiasco.

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Back for the dead after seeing the upcoming unpainted minis from paizo and wizkids...in most classes, we have the male and female versions for minis...thanks!

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Except 3x and PF systems were built with the intent of characters needing a certain amount of plus gear and weapons to fight the rising AC and to hit of monsters. So inevitably as a player you were looking for the next plus in the next big city cause you knew you'd need it for the next book in the adventure path.

5e isn't built with a character needing more and more plusses or Christmas tree affect, granted as other People have said, the DM makes or breaks this style of play and certain people like a certain style of play. I've always liked that cool first magic item for my character and hang on to it as it's a momento of the start of my adventuring days...something I'll hang on too and not just sell a toy the next town over for the +2 version of it.

I think that's why I got burned out with 3x / Pathfinder, I found myself as a player looking at my +2 ring of protection and wondering if I can trade it in on the +3 in Absalom or whatever large city we were near. I wanted an AC 30+ or I'd be mince meat soon.

I've used legacy type items back in my 2e days so that a character held on to certain items from their early adventuring days and unlock certain powers. Not every item but some so it stays with them as they grow.

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Cool thanks for sharing

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Of interest but might be leaning toward D&D and Fantasy Grounds.... Tabletop Connect was bought out by Fantasy Grounds and they are working on the 3D vtt i mentioned in an earlier post. Carl Pinder signed on with FG as well so I'm hoping it comes to fruition.

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I'm looking forward to picking this up at my comic store, the previous pathfinder comics have been fun reads with good art which is a win win for both to be good.

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Nice, Zaister and I might have kept the cards coming :).

Thanks for listening Eric! I was actually going through my cards for next sessions loot today and why I swung by to see if any new cards had come out I can pick up at my FLGS on my next visit.

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I've really enjoyed the various item cards and have most of them and the players like getting them as treasure. I'll have to check to make sure i have the last few sets as i did t know the line hasn't ended.

The face cards weren't as good as I bought them but the card stock was thinner and my cards bent/rolled and I ended up throwing them out.

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Rysky wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
I can't afford both Starfinder and Pathfinder. :-\
Same here ;_;

I hope paizo is paying attention - this type of comment is being posted often now in this thread by those that are typically AP subscribers.

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Nightdrifter wrote:

I find this to be an odd business move considering:

*Lisa is the one who pointed out part of TSR's downfall was due to self-competition with different campaign settings

*Paizo's reluctance to reprint old APs as that would mean competing against current APs

I hope this doesn't come back to bite Paizo in the behind.

This was the first thing that popped in my mind as well.

We already see a couple of posts on the first page talking about having to budget their purchases with both campaigns. And another on page 2.

Just read Lisa's reply - we will have to wait and see, got a while to wait. No public playtest, does that slow down the process? The amount of time that went into mythic shows playtest doesn't always make a great ruleset (mythic stunk mighty heaping piles).

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Hiiamtom - how is it going with the adventure so far?

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Thanks for the civil reply Cpt, much appreciated!

I understand the Paizo did it, having read most all the comics put out so far as they build the character history. I just think it would be cool to have a cool looking male mini in such high quality that the iconic sets have been. I picked up the new cut purse mini from the red dragon inn mini line which will do, just wishful thinking I guess.

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I got blasted last time for voicing my opinion that I'd like a male and female of each iconic which I think would sell well. If I think that male versions of the female version for class would sell well, would the same hold true, would female gamers buy female versions of the current male iconics? Just curious since we all want more minis that we would want to use, would female gamers want more as well?
I bought the first 3 boxed sets and almost picked up set 4 at the FLGS today but backed off. I know I'm in the minority on this but I'd really like the option of buying the male minis of these as singles as I'm not going to spend $30 for 2 minis. The 3 female minis in 4 of the sets will receive very limited table time so it would be nice to have these upscale and extremely nice minis as singles if possible. They are much better than the mini in the regular set but for me it's a hard pill to swallow to spend $30 for 2 minis I'll use.

To count - 6 sets of 5 iconic boxed sets. Female iconic - 16, 14 male.

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I'd be interested on how well this sells as the monsters seem to be the oddball/unusual variety...not sure how many monsters would actually be used in a campaign....and other than a few people posting in this thread, not many seem to be talking about it, for good or ill.

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Try tabletop connect, 3d vtt. Still in development phase but I've used it 3 times now and the group enjoyed it.

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Our group quit pathfinder too. Too much bloat and complexity and the need for herolabs to keep up with 2k feats. We enjoyed PF until mythic and but our enjoyment fell apart soon after that train wreck of a system.

5e has been a blast. I recommend at least trying it.

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Just to raise this thread back from the dead to help the early drizzt nay Sayers and the ilk that thought the PCs tag along and watch drizzt win the day and ask for autographs later......umm you were wrong. He's barely mentioned in the adventure so grab a fork and start eating.

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As many might have already seen, PFO is dead in the water.

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Looks like we can close this thread, much like the staff at Goblinwerks and eventually the game itself.

So paizo drops the ball on mythic, pathfinder online, and the VTT thats been dead or in the works but now stopped for the past 3 years.

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Looking forward to February release of set 6.

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Mythic rules kinda soured me on pathfinder, but I've found 5e to be very enjoyable so far. Our 5 yr pathfinder group is switching over to 5e. Less bloat and flows better and don't need herolabs (cool when we first started using it) to keep up with the 2000 feats, yes that correct 2000 well last time I checked it was 1776 but that didn't include their last round of bloat books. Can a person tell mythic soured me on PF currently much like 4e got me to start playing PF.

I am getting sword coast legends, looks fun

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It doesn't come up in the games I DM or have been a part of as a player, 25 years of playing.

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cool, glad to hear. the iconic boxed sets have been some high quality minis so far...picked them all up.

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Kajehase wrote:
Kohl McClash wrote:
We haven't seen a Magus iconic mini yet.
Seltiyel's the iconic Magus. So yes, we have.

I know we have the reaper metal magus mini (got it) but I was referencing the pre-painted iconic mini boxed sets, 1 thru 3, out so far that doesn't have the Magus yet. 4 and 5 boxed sets don't have him either.

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We haven't seen a Magus iconic mini yet.

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Having to double and triple HP for the monsters to make it a challenge does not bode well for saying the Mythic system was well designed. Doing 5k in 3 rounds sounds fun for maybe the first time but game gets boring after that since it turns into rocket tag to determine the winner. Truly terrible system in my opinion.

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Axiem wrote:

Wrath is now my 2nd Mythic campaign, after employing the rules in my homebrew game. My players are pretty notorious min/maxers as well. I've yet to see the Mythic rules cause too many problems. In my opinion, I think the ability score increases cause more damage than any of the abilities granted by tiers do. Also, the initiative boost tends to cause issues IF players also boost their init via feats/traits. So, if you want to keep the difficulty higher, maybe consider removing those bonuses, or disallowing the +2 ability score boosts to stack, forcing players to spread them among 5 abilities.

What level have you gotten to in Mythic? The campaign I'm in we were at 12th level and 4th Mythic Tier. IT wasn't really any fun for the DM or the players as it was becoming rocket tag with us players tending to get the jump on the NPCs or monsters. We dropped mythic after we hit 13th level and have played a few sessions and combat seems like a challenge again. Right when I was getting burned out on Pathfinder, mainly due to mythic sucking so bad in our game, the last session was at the end of book 4. Looked like a total party wipe going against Demon goddess daughter Hep. 5 people in our party, 3 people down (way down) and it was me (Magus) and the Ranger. I was down 40 HP so the next time she hit, I was down. I was able to vanish and she laughed and turned toward the Ranger. I had put vorpal on my blackblade at the start of combat and it was our only chance to win. So when she turned to kill the ranger and moved out of my threatened square, on my AoO, I rolled a freakin' 20 and lopped her head off! Talk about pure dice roll luck but in character i KNEW I was going to walk away with her head!

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Ragoz wrote:
FLite wrote:
Or make it a rider class (like the evangalist prestige class, where you trade a lower rate of class advancement for some extra powers.)

I actually was talking about this with my friend earlier. This class should come with class abilities and then you select another base class just like Evangelist which gets reduced progression added to that base.

As it stands I'm disappointed with the current class design and feel that the social part is useless and the Vigilante parts are mechanically weak.

I'm disappointed as well, like they are grasping at straws to create another hardback to sale, I could throw a bloat comment in here but I'd get lambasted by the hard core Paizo peeps so I'll just leave it at the first part.

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I started playing and enjoying 5e, even DCC more than pathfinder (mythic ruined it for it short term at least).

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Rather unfortunate to see this not getting off to a better start with the hype many of us had when we got the announcement it was in the works a while ago. I'm one of those that was feeling it and looking forward to it, then as my enjoyment of Pathfinder RPG and the terrible mythic system sucking the last bits of fun, I'm now a causal gamer that used to play/raid WoW 4 to 5 hours. Now that I'm not, games like PFO aren't my cup of tea. I'm curious how many others, initial fans looking forward to PFO, now aren't with the glitches, not so great system, even the new 1:27 promo is terrible with a 1985 graphic of the lich talking.

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The left wing of the red dragon seems a little bent in or tucked in more so than the initial digital rendering. Nothing a little hot water treatment can't fix. I've been super impressed with the 3 icon sets that I don't mind paying $30 for 6 minis when they look as good as they do, great stuff.

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Technotrooper wrote:
Deanoth wrote:
I can't see over saturation for a long time yet :)
You may be right, but I do see many people (including myself) starting to say they have reached "rules saturation" with PF. For me, the error-ridden ACG didn't help with this feeling that "maybe I'm good when it comes to more rules."

Just clicked over from another thread so pardon the revival :)

I'm in the same boat, rules bloat/saturation. I switched to PF when 4e didn't appeal to me and have enjoyed the game...until recently when we started the mythic AP. wow what a terrible system. Like many have stated, we dropped the mythic part and switched to normal pcs after the last session. Normally paizo products are great stuff but this book and all the rules have turned me off, not to mention the need for herolabs to keep up with everything that's out there to use. I've slowly switched to 5e and play some osc stuff like DCC, still playing PF, non mythic de powered wrath ap this Sunday.

Overall it's a good time for people who enjoy RPGs, we have many great choices to choose from!

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Deathdwarf wrote:
On a somewhat related note, this is Year 3 for WotC being absent from the Dealers Hall of GenCon. I recall conversations in '13 along the lines of "Yeah, well wait until 5th edition comes out! They're gonna OWN that Hall!".
I'm sure they're in the same area they were in last year, near all the Magic play.

Thanks Vic for keeping an open and informative mind in this thread, I appreciate the candor from your personal standpoint even though you have a vested interest in one more so now. Deathdwarf - it looks as though you lost the bet last year and need to pay up :) have fun at GenCon though, I hope to make there one day.

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Ryan - it seems our group is similar. We play face to face with an overhead projector casting onto a white table for the maps but also our physical minis. We have yet to try it at our table and it might be something we do for 1 specific encounter area like a dungeon and see how it plays out.

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It's available for use now from a kickstarter/backer kit so people are using it kind of in an Alpha state for feedback. The map creation is super easy. Take a PDF of a map in an adventure, import and scale the map and start making walls and floors. I did the Castle Cragmaw from Lost Mines of Phandelver in about 1 hour. You can check out some of the maps/buildings people have created as well.

Agreed - Behind his projected curve but ahead of Paizo's Gamespace and better than anything out there now already.

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Check out tabletopconnect.com hands down will be better than roll20 (flat boring 2d maps) and anything paizo might have put out. It's a 3d vtt that is being developed now.

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master_marshmallow wrote:

i dont see a problem with this "i want a male mini for my paladin character who happens to be male" situation

he's not saying there should be less female characters/minis
he's saying he wants more males so he doesnt have to represent himself with a female mini

the best solution is to make more of both sexes for each class
more products = more $$$

Master marshmallow better stated my intentions, can I get a male version of the classes, not that I meant for reaper to not make female versions.

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Just an observation and probably mentioned before that many of the character classes I would like to see from reaper for pathfinder are female character based when I would prefer a male version of them as well. Since a majority of gamers are male who don't tend to play female characters, can we get a male paladin, cleric, etc to buy instead of the female version I won't be playing and won't need to buy?
That goes for the metal reaper as well as the new painted plastic minis.

Thanks!

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RuyanVe wrote:

Sounds interesting!

The dude on the cover looks exactly how I imagined my ranger I currently play in a homebrew - need the mini!

Ruyan.

I second that so I hope Reaper is listening.

I know we have stats for the iconics, what about the newer people on the cover like this character?

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