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Most traits in the ARG are from already existing races. We need more offensive, defensive, etc traits that aren't from an existing race.

An option to sell attributes.

And, yes, more support for the non-core races in the ARG…


Enora!

"driven by an unlikely pairing of curiosity and luck"

"hunger for knowledge that was rivaled only by her optimism and determination"

"natural understanding of the mystical inner workings of magic, and combining this with her fastidious research skills and intuition, she quickly rose to the top of her class"

"chose the pursuit of knowledge over the security of the life she’d known"

She'd probably drive me crazy and get me killed but it would be worth the ride.


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Protect the sanctity of marriage, ban celebrity weddings!


W. Kristoph Nolen wrote:
Hippygriff wrote:
Evil is culturally relative. Not all agree on which acts are "evil", which culture is right?
the culture in which the campaign is predominantly set. If it's a psuedo-European game, the "Europeans" would be right. In an "Aztec" game, the Aztecs would be right.

Wünderbar. Now, in this hypothetical psuedo-european game, do all the kingdoms agree about what is or isn't moral? Do the dwarves, elves, halflings, etc have the same list of what's evil? Any moral dissonance between the Azatas and Archons? Which group gets to decide what's evil?


gamer-printer wrote:
Even then, however, gain a stat loss, and do not lie, what's the problem?

The problem comes down to the phrasing of your posts, intentional or not it sounded like you were saying that the torture was just fluff and not worth caring about because it has no permanent mechanical effect. Whether a character breaks or not torture shouldn't be something the character just shrugs off. If this is a misunderstanding then it's a misunderstanding.


BQ wrote:
Also the south pacific is neglected by RPG products. The Aboriginal culture is the oldest living culture in the world and yet I've never seen it or an influence of it in a RPG product.

Didn't Palladium do two Australia books?


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gamer-printer wrote:
The point is other than possibly dying, your character isn't going to be permanently affected by torture. So why should it force you to break your code? Or why should it even be a problem?

Forget the "forced to break your code" bit, the thing I take issue with is the "if there's no permanent effect then torture is just story and not a problem". If it takes permanent loss of some stat for players to care that their character is being tortured then bring on the permanent stat loss!


gamer-printer wrote:
It's not meta-gamey at all.
Eh,
this:
gamer-printer wrote:
In no game session I've ever played was torture something of any lasting nature - your character does not carry mechanical scars for being tortured. Why even worry about it? It's just story at the time. Besides the player isn't being tortured.

sounds pretty meta-gamey to me…

Evil is culturally relative. Not all agree on which acts are "evil", which culture is right?


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A baby ate my dingo!


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Artanthos wrote:
To put it in a more mudane circumstance, "Hy lord, does this dress make me look fat?"

No, your fat makes you look fat?


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It's truly a sad day when no one chooses Chaotic Awesome.


Umbranus wrote:
Ok, let's agree to disagree.

Where's the fun in that?


Does his code say betraying his comrades in arms is honorable?


Umbranus wrote:
And to go at it from a different angle: The rules say that the spell blood transcription is evil. I would say it is because you have to drink the blood of a dead person for selfish reasons.

It does not say why it has the evil tag, your reason for it's evil tag is your own.

Umbranus wrote:
Drinking the blood of a dead person to heal your own wounds is selfish as well and thus should be evil, too.

Selfish and evil are not the same thing.


All of you are wrong! Clearly everyone should switch to the "snacks and drinks for xp" system!


Ok, let's say that the other players haven't seen the loot yet. Sooner or later the robbers will want to spend and / or use their loot. Unless they're very careful those characters will expose that they have more loot that they should. Even just trying to conceal goods from people you are traveling with is a problem, especially if you travel as often as an adventurer.

So, yes, there's a good chance they could get out of local law enforcement range if the other characters haven't seen the loot yet and bounty hunters, the local guards, etc don't show up first. But the odds of the robbers keeping their ill gotten gains hidden from the rest of the party isn't as good as people seem to think.

*:
Not just talking about this thread, I've seen the notion that "if you didn't catch me red handed then there's no way your character can ever figure out mine did X" pop up way too often. It's actually gotten under my skin a bit…


darth_borehd wrote:

While the good and lawful aligned characters slept, a couple characters of the other alignments sneaked out and intercepted the caravan in the middle of the night.

They did so and returned with their ill-gotten gains. While the players of the lawful neutral and good alignments know it was them, they are not allowed to use out-of-game knowledge to turn them over to the authorities

I don't get it. A couple of characters acquire a bunch of loot overnight and the merchant the party was waiting for shows up robbed, doesn't show up at all, etc… Sounds like cause for ingame suspicion to me. Enough to immediately turn them over to the authorities? Not yet, but enough to have them tell the authorities "hey, these guys may have been involved. Please look into it and if they are guilty we had nothing to do with it."


ciretose wrote:
The classic "It's not wrong when we do it!" argument.

Well, things aren't wrong when I do them…


I say forget the merchant guild enforcers. Bringing bandits to justice is something Abadar's followers can really get behind, it's even part of the code for their paladins. Send his faithful after them.


Ragnarok Aeon wrote:
I'm sorry if my blasphemy insults anyone...

Sounded like the start of a good parody to me.


Aretas wrote:
Yes, I believe that atheists are attempting to slowly transform American society. Thats not crazy its a fact. Its what atheist organization strive to do.

Which organizations? Are their agendas really so bad? Do they really represent all atheists or are they just the ones that are loud? There are religious organizations trying to force their views on the country, how are they better?

People want to change their corner of the world in a way that they think will make it better… That's nothing new.


Sorry to hear that, Macabre, because it means you have no soul…


Aretas wrote:
Can you please act a little bit more mature.

Maturity, on the internet? Isn't that like asking Michael Bay to do a good remake of a Hitchcock movie?


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Darkwing Duck wrote:
Nicos, how many Christians do you know that believe eating Hamburger Helper is a sin?

YMMV, but in my experience most Christians only know the parts of Leviticus that pop up on signs at protests.


Aretas wrote:
It was never about me proving why I'm correct. It was supposed to be about the definition of statesman / politician.

Most definitions are shorter than the amount of text you just quoted. How does providing definitions for two words turn into writing a thesis paper?


Just a second…

How does "without any real explanation or evidence of why you are correct" turn into "because I did not expand on my post by writing a thesis paper"?


Had more to say, but it's better to get out before this thread is locked…


Aretas wrote:
The statement about the 48 years ago was not made by me, I was responding to it from another member who posted that.

Ah, I see it now… Ok, moving on.

Aretas wrote:
Regarding the disparity in the quality of schools. I would have to ask my teachers union rep. I'm just throwing this out there but maybe some Black kids grow up in disfunctional households? Lacking Black parental role models they grasp on to unsavory role models and peers.

Asking your teacher's union rep is a good idea.

Maybe it's because more blacks, latinos, and whites than our country likes to admit are poor and their parents are working a ridiculous amount of hours trying to keep a roof over their family's head? Dysfunctional families aren't limited to poor neighborhoods but people living in those neighborhoods are routinely denied chances to improve their life. Schools the county turned it's back on, loans are harder to get, poor housing, poor choices in available jobs…


Aretas wrote:
Hippygriff wrote:
Just to be clear Aretas, are you giving up on your statement about the last black man lynched was 48 years ago? What about that comment that "everyone has an equal opportunity for advancement"? You never got back to me about how that's possible with the horrible disparity in the quality of schools.
Wow that was awesome, nice!

So… No answer?


Use a fighter archetype that isn't proficient with heavy armor?


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Just to be clear Aretas, are you giving up on your statement about the last black man lynched was 48 years ago? What about that comment that "everyone has an equal opportunity for advancement"? You never got back to me about how that's possible with the horrible disparity in the quality of schools.


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Aretas wrote:
Everyone has an equal opportunity for advancement.

I live in southern california, some of the schools here are getting IPads for the students to use while other schools are falling apart because they can't get enough funding for basic maintenance.


Spanky is banned for Leprechaun in the Hood. Not smurfy man, not smurfy…


… Maybe.


Bad touch! Bad touch!


LilithsThrall wrote:
Hippygriff wrote:
Why must we be subjected to a religion's idea of what is and isn't a "flaw"? Why condemn someone as a sinner for their biology? Why would a loving god create gay people if being gay is an abomination?
The Religion doesn't condemn gays, some religious people do. What the religion provides is a common body of knowledge - a domain language as it were - whereby we can reach these bigots and attempt to show them the error of their ways.

Yeah… I should've logged out hours ago…


Machaeus wrote:
And if you recall, seeing just the aftermath of God's power unleashed on Sodom turned someone into a pillar of salt (I'd call it divine fallout, and now I want to make some kind of campaign out of demigod PCs who have to curtail their powers lest chaos reign). Who's to say the same wouldn't happen here if the clouds formed into letters?

Logic. If god really wanted people to see, understand, and spread a message it would be absurd for him to choose a method that would kill those that see it.


Why must we be subjected to a religion's idea of what is and isn't a "flaw"? Why condemn someone as a sinner for their biology? Why would a loving god create gay people if being gay is an abomination?


Machaeus wrote:
Please, get past the hate in your own heart.

… Granted I only skimmed Apple's posts, please show me where the hate is?

Machaeus wrote:
TBH I believe it is genetic, but I don't know. If there is an actual "gay gene" then what's the difference? We all sin sometime. Whether you believe in sin or not is another matter.

What's the difference? Imagine if the bible said that people with your combination of hair and eye color were abominations.


Knight Protector wrote:
the declaration of homosexuality being an abomination in the sight of the Lord (Lev. 18:22) is that of a moral declaration which continues today.

So… Why is that part of Leviticus more important than the parts that are commonly ignored or forgotten?


Santa is a faerie dragon in the middle of playing some type of grand joke on the people of Golarion.


Machaeus wrote:
Hippygriff wrote:


Aretas wrote:


OMG you compared Human beings with our advanced social behavior to animals and plants!
Define "advanced". How is our social behavior better than other primates?
I take some offense to that (only some). We at least TRY not to take a piss on a public wall, or on another person/primate.

While I admit (most) humans may not engage in the same act I do ask, is the human analog that much better?


Olaf the joyous wrote:
I would love to play a halfing Falconer that rides around on a axe beak i think it would be funny. But as the faq is i can only take a Eagle/Hawk/Owl.

Falconry?


Aretas wrote:
Have a civil union but don't attempt to destroy the sacrement of marriage by calling it marriage. Or is the destruction of marriage what the radical left/gay/lesbian/bisexual/tranny community aspire to do?

I'm sorry, it's hard to take this seriously. If marriage is truly a sacred institution then why aren't you defending it against Hollywood and the wonderful short term marriages that are making a mockery of it?

Aretas wrote:
OMG you compared Human beings with our advanced social behavior to animals and plants!

Define "advanced". How is our social behavior better than other primates?


stringburka wrote:

"Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. "

"chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. "

Some kinds of insanity DO feel like they belong on the chaotic side of the spectrum, especially some psychotic disorders. Having been engaged to a schizophreniac, I can tell you that some of her behaviour was really chaotic.

On the other hand, obsessive compulsive disorder seem to fight more into the law side of the spectrum.

Sorry to hear that…

But what sane people may see as chaotic behavior isn't necessarily chaotic from the point of view of the person with schizophrenia. They are reacting to a different "reality" and actions that you see as irrational and/or bizarre often make sense to them at the time. In a poor attempt to put it in pathfinder terms, it's like hitting a character with an alignment penalty because they didn't realize a wizard was using illusions to mess with their head.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder or obsessive-compulsive personality disorder? Neither one makes people that have it become trustworthy, honorable, reliable, or obedient to authority.


Bobson wrote:
Insanity is a chaotic trait.

Please explain the logic behind this.