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@Jarl
Were there any innocents in the smoke that needed saving?

If no, why would anyone go back into it? Also, being a paladin doesn't require him to act lawful stupid. Nor does it require him to be responsible for other people's poor decisions.

Innocent doesn't matter helping those in need does and a knocked out party matter i think counts as a person in need. Also what poor decisions? We didn't know about the smoke till after we were in it and after that the effects didn't give us a chance to get out. Also the save wasnt that high there for it wasnt a real risk for the pally i think he needed a 4 or higher to pass it.

@Karkon

After he left we managed to get rid of the smoke and with no real resources left had to rest and now since the paladin is gone we have no way of finding him so we are stuck and left on are own.

But to the point what happens after he left is unknown to him and therefor doesnt determine rather his act was right or wrong which is why i left it out. hope this helps.


Ok lets see if i can clear this up a little.

First off I had just been found enslaved in a giant like warcamp. Have done no bad or unlawful acts.

1st round Paladin and cleric charged in and make there insanity saves then I(the summoner and my summon) made are save.

2nd round Paladin and cleric made there saves again and cleric kills his target. The summoner made his save the summon doesnt and has to attack the closes thing and knocks the summoner out.

3rd round Paladin makes his save cleric doesnt and just speaks gibberish.
the summon gets to act normally so he picks up the boy and takes it to the paladin so he can heal him. Summoner Bleeds out.

4th round Paladin kills his target. Cleric has to attack closes creature kills the summon. Summoner bleeds out.

5th round A red dragon comes out thanks us for killing its captors and informes us that the smoke is bad that we should put it out. Cleric gets to act normal heals the summoner moves towards the smoke source and ask the paladin to help put out the smoke. Paladin walks back towards the entrance. Summoner has to hit him self.

6th round Cleric has to attack closes creature charges the summoner and takes him to less than 20% left. Paladin ignores us and leaves.


I'm in a game and my last character died. My new character is a 8 year old boy who happens to be a summoner. We are a lvl 12 party. The group ended up finding me in a dungeon usual insert new character stuff. but in the middle of a difficult situation the paladin leaves. Does this break the Paladins "Code of Conduct"???

The Situation

We are in a room with some creatures and there are candles burning that are filling a certain area with a smoke aroma kinda thing. but we run in and fight. paladin and cleric run in make there saves all is dandy. I make my save. My summon doesn't. He knocks me unconscious. Cause the smoke is a Insanity spell effect, Mild tweaks no big deal really. So my summoned creature takes me to the cleric he heals me the paladin goes to leave after the creatures are dead but we have been informed of the smoke and the cleric tells him to help and also fails his save and knocks me unconscious again after he killed my summon. and he still leaves knowing the cleric could kill me. Im not evil or unlawful in any way in the paladins eyes.

Code of Conduct

A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class features except proficiencies if she ever willingly commits an evil act.

Additionally, a paladin's code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.

Associates: While she may adventure with good or neutral allies, a paladin avoids working with evil characters or with anyone who consistently offends her moral code. Under exceptional circumstances, a paladin can ally with evil associates, but only to defeat what she believes to be a greater evil. A paladin should seek an atonement spell periodically during such an unusual alliance, and should end the alliance immediately should she feel it is doing more harm than good. A paladin may accept only henchmen, followers, or cohorts who are lawful good.

Ex-Paladins

A paladin who ceases to be lawful good, who willfully commits an evil act, or who violates the code of conduct loses all paladin spells and class features (including the service of the paladin's mount, but not weapon, armor, and shield proficiencies). She may not progress any further in levels as a paladin. She regains her abilities and advancement potential if she atones for her violations (see atonement), as appropriate.

What does everyone think???


Can anyone explain to me the reason for the familiars int to go up?

Doesn't effect saves
They dont get feats

Only thing I can think of is skills and not sure that is all that helpful

Any light on this subject would be awesome thanks


I just bought the app and love it besides the spell book idea which would be awesome. If it organized the favorite spells by level that would be very useful.

Thank you for the app.


Tikael wrote:
the price for these is bonus^2 *100 gold. This is from Table 15-29. I do not see an issue with these, you can even double the price to have it not take up an item slot (ioun stone or luck charm like thing).

Also that is the base price to buy to make said item yourself with the item creation feats it is half the cost of the market value.

So a +2 spell craft item would be 2^2 * 100 / 2 = 200 g is all it cost to make or 400g to buy from shop

So a +10 would be 10^2 * 100 / 2 = 5,000g to make and to buy from a shop 10,000g


Im having some major issues with character creation in games. Im tired of being the fill character you all know the one "ok well we need a healer so ya can you do that".

How do you create a fair way for character creation/selection?

Do you just make the character you want and hey if the group needs something else screw it or what. Really need some feedback please help out.


If your still sending this out i would love this for my character.

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