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Man Paizo just can't win with some of you. For the last *decade* people have complained about the store. They're finally fixing it, but not in the way you want.

That is unfair. You only say "they're fixing it" because the changes work for you. The proper response is "they are changing it" and people always complain when there is change. That's human nature. The question is will the damage from the complainers be greater or lesser than the benefit to those who find the changes to be a fix.

Paizo had to change, and this is it. I am not happy with some of the fallout from those changes, and it has already decreased my spending with Paizo. But, I am still excited to see the new website. I feel it was a necessary move. I will not stop playing Pathfinder because of it. I am just changing what I buy and how I buy it.

our only answers to questions like "Do people consider the Foundry discount granted by the free PDFs they get through their AP subscriptions a meaningful part of that subscription's value?" or "Does having the cost of a PDF essentially count toward the cost of its Foundry module actually drive PDF sales as a 'try-before-you-buy' option for people considering running the adventure on Foundry?"

I would suggest that you were not asking the right people. :D Some pretty vocal people around here.

Since you said you were having trouble getting answers on how PDFs and Foundry fit together, here’s my take—just me, not speaking for anyone else.

For me, the Foundry “discount” is what made subscribing work. I don’t need the physical stuff—I’ve got a pile of those cardboard mailers sitting unopened in a tote in my workroom. What I wanted was the PDF early. Yeah, I paid a little extra, but it was worth it to have the PDF at shipping time. And if I ended up running the adventure, I could grab the Foundry module (which, honestly, have been really well done) at a discount. That combo made subscribing feel like a no-brainer.

Now? The cost has gone up. From what I can see, the Foundry store prices are higher than the $15 number someone threw out—closer to what the old bundles used to be. That makes it a lot less appealing. At this point I’m better off just buying the specific things I want. The “subscribe to everything” option just isn’t there for me anymore, which is pretty disappointing.

For those at Paizo who are keeping track: I will be reviewing my subscriptions, and most likely canceling some of them. The APs and Adventures are first on the chopping block, and maybe the Maps as well. This is directly because of the new rules around Foundry.

Will I stop buying completely? No. But I’ll certainly be buying less. Subscriptions have pushed me into picking up things I would never have bought on my own—the new Game Night box set, for example, or the Gatewalker book. And when it comes to APs, I’ll be a lot more selective. I can say with certainty I would never have purchased Revenge of the Runelords if not for the subscription.

I realize I’m a small fish in a big pond, but Paizo should understand this is how their handling of Foundry is affecting customers like me. I’ve heard the line that “it” will be “addressed” after the bugs are worked out of the new store software—but frankly, that feels like kicking the can down the road. I’ll reassess my subscriptions when (and if) that ever actually happens, but I’m not holding my breath.

The way I read it, you won't be losing the PDF discount as the product that will be available will be priced the same as if you had the PDF under the current system. Assuming the are no other differences between the code only Foundry modules and ones bundled with the PDF, this seems fair enough to me.

I think what they are saying is that they cannot add a "if you own the PDF, you can buy this" flag so that means they would have to either allow EVERYONE to buy the Foundry-Code-Only product or do away with Code-Only and charge everyone the PDF-Bundle pricing (with or without the PDF).

And they chose the latter.

Am I understanding this correctly? Once the new store rolls out, the Foundry VTT modules will be priced at the "with PDF" prices going forward regardless of whether or not I own the PDF?

Does anybody else show this module as "unavailable" on day of release?

But none for PDF version subscriptions... sigh

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I am curious if that will ever get an errata or the PDF updated with the correct block.

You must be new here.

Welcome.

Sigh. New enough. I was hoping that errors that... well render the adventure useless for high tier would get fixed SOMEHOW. Now I feel cheated by Paizo for selling me product that does not deliver what was promised.

Ok, I have another question. Will Paizo update the PDF or put out an errata for obvious errors? In Appendix 2 for the Infiltration challenges, the scaling block is a copy-paste of the Appendix 1 block. That is, the High-Tier scaling block gives information to scale for the Low-Tier encounter.

I am curious if that will ever get an errata or the PDF updated with the correct block.

When letters are used, they are usually abbreviations of the names of the foes. Sometimes scenarios have specific positions of foes indicated rather than just a box. And sometimes they don't have any positions indicated so you just put them wherever you think reasonable.

So here CA = Chelaxian Adjutant and H = Hooligan (which are only present in high tier; they are Delinquents in low tier so it should really be H/D). There are up to 5 hooligans/delinquents depending on scaling, hence the 1-5.

I see. Thank you. That was my first thought but I was only looking at low-tier so "deliquents" was not matching up. I suppose if I got to looking over high-tier I might have made the connection. Again, thank you. (And I like specific placement, personally)

I asked this over under the product page, but I realized it should probably be here so:

Does anybody know the significance of the H1, H2, H3, H4, H5, CA markings? I am assuming that baddies start there but what is with H/C and the numbers and not just putting a box like normal?

Does anybody know the significance of the

Is there an errata for this?

Ok, I am reading through this and Players

Far be it from me to say, I hope there's a PDF version. I just have no call for hardcover books anymore as none of my groups meet face-to-face. There is no mention of a PDF in the product description yet, while other pre-orders do list PDFs even if you cannot preorder.

On that note, I wish Paizo would allow preorders and subscriptions in the PDF format as that is the only format that has meaning for me in this day and age.

I am looking for some more opinions on a rather interested rules conversation I am following on Discord. It involves investing of magic items.

The conversation started by asking What does remove mean when the rules state "If you remove an invested item, it loses its investiture." Take a hat. Does tipping your hat, which removes it from your head, mean it loses investiture? What if you put your great axe down to open your backpack -- with the intent of picking it back up again once you get the oil out to refill your lantern?

The follow up question is, if you have to reinvest your axe, does it count as another investiture towards the limit of 10/day?

So I have the Core Rulebook on my digital downloads. Later, I purchased the Core Rulebook from Roll20 that included the Remastered Core Rulebook when it came out a month or so later.

Am I supposed to get the remastered PDF or was that product excluded from the account product sync'ing?

What part of Pathfinder do you want to know more about?

And should this be a multiple-choice poll?

What part of "Pathfinder"? That is a broad topic. I'd like to know about how the pieces all fit together. I have ... decades ... of TTRPG experience -- starting with AD&D. I know what all the general terms mean but how does it apply to Pathfinder? I understand freedom of the GM but everything is still designed with a purpose in mind, even if the GMs decide to not use it for that purpose. What was the purposes that Paizo had for all these interesting elements?

I know what campaign settings are but what are the series of books listed and how do they fit? At first, I thought they were different settings you could adopt for your campaign, but now they seem to be more rulesets? expanded rulesets? Are they supposed to be pieces to a larger world (Like the World of Greyhawk)? Are there multiple world settings? How does Lost Omens fit into this?

I think I've figured out Adventure Paths -- a series of adventures to lead the players through a complete campaign from level 1 to max level... The Pathfinder Society Quests and Scenarios seem to be stand alone adventures designed for GameCons and such... and Pathfinder Adventures (think Fall of Plaguestone) are stand alone adventures NOT tied to GameCons. Does all that sound right?

There is probably a lot more that I'm missing but as I poke around the online store, there are nice descriptions of each book but no overview of the different units for someone new to the Pathfinder system -- or the overviews are not easily found.

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