@Eric Mason 37: Trying to aviod traits only because this will come down to we want taits and extra feats. Like I have said before I have 2 power gamers/rules lawyers in the game. @Lathiira : What provoke these request. The D20 system itself is my guess. The 2 players who want this are power gamers/rules lawyers. They want every advantage they can get. It may also because I tend to run a low magic game. Of course I was going to change that in this campagin but since I have only done 3 adventure so far. They have not even let it get started before they were complaining. I think it may come down to telling them to make there own system if they do not like what I plan on running.
@Evil Lincoln: Yes I could conced to there wishes but i would perfer not to. I have seen what can be done by these players when we did this in 3.5. It may be a fun campaign for most of them, I was not having fun and I was not even Dming. No I have never played Exhalted plus I tend not to rush out and buy game systems. My players think the D20 system is almost perfect. @JMD031: Sorry these are friends who I have known for 20+ years. I will not be switching groups. @KaeYoss: No they are not power hungry they just think that the game is not balance around fighter vs. spell caster. Yes I know allowing them to have a feat every level would shatter the CR system. Of course I have 2 players that are power gamers and think that it would be easy to fix(it does not help that one of them thinks he a game designer). @Eric Mason 37: I have tried that but it still bring the same problems. They still would want feats every level etc. etc. etc. I still say thats for any help. Hopefully in 2 weeks we shall see what happens. I plan to hold my ground and just tell them no. If worse comes to worse I will just be player and make someone else DM. It should be an interesting day.
Hey thanks for all your help people. You have given me some more ammmo. I personally as a DM as of late just want to use the rule books as written. @Immortalis yes they were like this even playing 1st edition, just not as bad. 3rd edition really open up a bunch of stuff. It does not help that I have 2 power games/rules lawyers in my game. So any advantage they can find they take. The max hit points I can live with. The last combat I almost killed them with 2 hodags from the kingmaker ap(need a monster they had never seen and it fit). Yes I know most people think the fighter is weak but for my goup it is overpowered. The reason I say this is at the higher level we normally have fighter doing more damnage than any other class. Like I said I have 2 power gamers which does not help. I may change to regain spells every 8 hours as it may make them a little happier. I will agree ring of sustance are annoying as all hell. Plus side is I will not have to use spell points. Conceration checks are going to remain. I just will not let them get away from this. I will let you know how this turns out in a couple of weeks. I guess I will just have to say to them is this "This is my campaign and we are going to use these rules". Evilusion
A little back ground on my group. Together we have been playing for 20+ years. The newest player who joined us was 12 years ago. We went from 1st to 4th then back to 3.5 and now to pathfinder. What I have been encountering is 2 of my player keep wanting to change the rules of the game. I will list the things they like to change below. What I need is some way of countering there points of view. Or a way of proving to them that giving them that option is going to unbalance the game. 1. Feats every level for all character classes
B. Player's argument is there are a lot of feats and I want to be
C. Players argument is this will bring all character classes to
2. Casters should not have to make concentration checks when hit in combat
3. Maximum hit point every level (this I may use after the combat I just ran them threw)
4. Wizards being able to regain spells more than once every 24 hours
B. Players argument is to use spell points So any ideas? Thanks for you help |