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Ed Reppert wrote:
Tom Hiddleston is 6'2", Christian Kane is 5'9", Tom Cruise is 5'7". Which last gave rise to "Tom Cruise ain't no Jack Reacher" (Reacher is 6'5"). Having said that, I have to admit I liked both "Reacher" movies.

I'd been led to believe Kane is also 5'7" and that Hiddleston was closer to 6'1", but even then I was fudging because I've always thought of Varian as around 6', but I tend to visualize him as Hiddleston.

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Berselius wrote:
Is Radovan really that much shorter than Count Jeggare or is that just the difference in artwork?
The two images were not presented in relative scale. While I can't swear that they are scaled identically now, we did at least make the issue much less obvious.

For those interested, Varian is as tall as Tom Hiddleston, while Radovan is the same height as Tom Cruise or Christian Kane.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

What´s up with "Tales of the far West" & "A Knight in the Silk Purse"?

Greetings from Germany.

FAR WEST is a crazy mashup of wuxia (kung fu), westerns, and a little bit of steampunk. My story in that anthology pits a group of misfits against the rail baron who injured them.

A Knight in the Silk Purse is the second in an anthology of Mesoamerican fantasy stories. My story in that one is a little dark.

In both of them, you'll recognize at least one other Pathfinder Tales author among the contributors.

And return greetings from Canada.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

I checked out this "The Devil's Pay" stuff, but it seems to be only available as kindle or audible, which is just not my thing. ;-(
Is the new stuff digital only or will there also be an actual book?
I will buy every actual physical product written by you (like the Black Wolf & Stormweather books).
So, the february release won't be Pathfinder or Iron Kingdoms but something all-new?
I hope you will write a Pathfinder Tale again in the future, but i will buy other books too and wish you the best of luck for the future! :-)

The new novella's something all-new, and it'll be in print with a gorgeous cover. It's in a setting for which I've long wanted to write, and

I once heard that the Iron Kingdoms books might one day see print, but that was a while ago, and I've had no concrete info on that front.

If you're looking for something to tide you over, I've stories in Champions of Aetaltis, Shattered Shields, and Gods, Memes, and Monsters--the latter of which got a nice nod from Ellen Datlow in the annual summary to her Best Horror of the Year.

Of those, the Champions story is the one closest to a Pathfinder Tale, and the one in Shields is the darkest--and the one I'm most likely to revisit one day. Both anthologies also include terrific stories by other Pathfinder Tales authors.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Dave Gross wrote:

Thanks, Valantrix1.

Dragnmoon, I've found myself wishing I could see the spellings when I only listen to the audiobook.

Dave, when can we expect a new text by you?

You have become my favorite writer and i need something new.
The Egorian Gazetteer in AP #106 was great by the way.

Congratulations to "Master of Devils" selling out.
Lord of Runes will follow soon with less than 25 copies left. :-)

Thanks for the kind words and for the effusive review you left for Lord of Runes. I'm glad you liked the Egorian Gazetteer, too. That was a lot of fun.

There are no new Radovan & the Count novels in the works, but my next novella will be unleashed in February 2017. If you like "the boys," I bet you'll also like "the girls" in the new piece. As with Prince of Wolves and "The Devil's Pay," it launches a new line, and I can't wait to read the stories that follow. You may recognize a few familiar names on the covers.

That's all the detail I can offer now, but if you follow my web site or twitter feed, you'll be among the first to see the title and description once it's ready for mortal eyes.

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captain yesterday wrote:
They do! My wife just reread Prince of Wolves and said it was even better the second time around. :-)

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I like your wife.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

@Dave Gross:

Can we expect a new Tale from you in 2017?

Your novels are my favorite ones, not only from Pathfinder, but from all of them.
The only ones i have read more often (6 times each), are the "War of the Spider Queen" ones.
Prince of Wolves 5 times, i read it every year or so.

There's none in the works, but I appreciate your kind words. I hope some of those books stand up to re-reading.

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DM Mathpro wrote:
If you guys were to see your novels turned into a movie who would you like to see play your main characters? Really interested in seeing Chris's response to this but its for anyone/everyone.

My graphic response.

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Belabras wrote:

Question for everyone:

How did you get started? Fan-fic, open submissions, etc? What was your first foray into the field?

My first pro sale was for an open call for Forgotten Realms short fiction. That was "Every Dog His Day" for Realms of Magic. The editor liked that one well enough to invite me to submit for Realms of Mystery. I did a few more stories and a short novel (novella, really) for the Realms.

Later I pitched to an open call for Forgotten Realms and Ravenloft novels. The editors liked both of my pitches, but since there were so many Realms pitches, they asked me to do the Ravenloft one.

I should have heard the sinister organ music.

What they didn't tell me was that the Ravenloft line was doomed, and they cancelled it when I was only halfway through my manuscript. Fortunately, rather than a kill fee and a clumsy translation of my unfinished novel to the Realms, I asked for a clean shot. That got me invited to pitch for the Sembia series, for which I wrote "Thirty Days" for The Halls of Stormweather followed by Black Wolf, my first full-length novel.

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Alayern wrote:
How do you folks outline your novels? Bullet points? Mindmapping? Sticky-notes with push pins and string and low-res pictures on a cork board a la conspiracy theorist?

One of my many flaws is that I go overboard on outlines. I try to keep them below 5,000 words, but I've slipped and ended up with a 15k outline once or twice.

Mine are big word documents with a page or two on each chapter, sometimes including reminders to myself about foreshadowing and subplots, running jokes, setting-specific references and how they matter to the boys, and so on.

I also include a list of important characters with descriptions ranging from a few sentences to a page, and copious footnotes and appendices.

It's a sickness.

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Alayern wrote:
To All the authors: What was the biggest/coolest thing you bought with the money from your first novel?

With the money from my first novel, I bought the original cover art to The Halls of Stormweather and, later, Black Wolf.

With the money from my Pathfinder novels, the coolest purchase I made was a diorama featuring a couple of obscure characters.

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I’m delighted you liked the conclusion of Winter Witch. I encouraged Elaine to pop in on this thread, but she suggested that I leave a comment.

As some already know, Elaine couldn't complete the book because of a year of family emergencies. To ensure that Pathfinder Tales launched on time, Paizo moved Prince of Wolves up to the August slot and consulted Elaine about enlisting a co-author for Winter Witch. She agreed that I'd finish the manuscript.

Elaine created most of the characters and plot of the novel. She wrote that fantastic prologue and the first nine chapters. I revised those chapters to address editorial feedback and to get a feeling for her style. (I like to tell her I did the job to absorb her powers.) Rather than try to mimic her exactly, I tried “leaning” toward her style. I'm delighted that no one has ever noticed the change point and many don't realize there were two writers.

Chapters 10 and beyond are my work based on Elaine's outline, which I altered in response to editorial feedback. My changes began with matching the book to the setting, but I also combined a few characters into one (Mareshka), added a few more monstrous adversaries, and kept Olenka in the story longer. There were lots of other changes, but those stand out in memory.

A couple of my changes were choices Elaine wouldn’t have made. She still teases me about making it more of a “kissing book,” and I’m sorry to have made one of her favorite characters more brutal than she’d envisioned her. (Elaine usually has the darker imagination, but I have my moments.)

A while after she recovered from the very bad horrible year, Elaine and I often chatted about continuing the story of Declan and Ellasif with an “on-purpose” collaboration, perhaps one in which Radovan and the Count played supporting roles. We even sketched out a few outlines. Unfortunately, we did this simultaneously and took the characters in different directions.

In the end we realized we both like to lead too much to collaborate. There were never any quarrels, just a gradual realization that we’re better off supporting each other with manuscript critiques, gossip, and awful puns.

So while some of the character issues you've mentioned have indeed swirled in my imagination and Elaine's, I'm doubtful we'll ever get to explore them beyond our occasional "what if?" chats. If a continuance of Winter Witch ever appears, it’ll be by Elaine alone, and I’ll be the first to read it.

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Also it is excellent, the best of Liane's Pathfinder Tales in my inexpert opinion. And that was at least a full draft ago.

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It's a magical place.

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A while back in another thread, someone asked when I planned to do a Calgary signing. At the time, I wasn't sure.

Now the answer is, "Next Thursday."

It's at the Sentry Box, the best game store I've ever found (with its own bookstore nestled inside). Riding shotgun on the Red Carriage is the estimable Vanessa Cardui, Calgarian filker extraordinaire.

Hope to see some of you cowboys and cowgirls there.

* Edited because Thursday isn't a Wednesday.

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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Dave Gross wrote:

2. I would love to see a couple or three large statues of Golarion's major gods in each future set, preferably not simply painted stone gray but in interesting variations (maybe a jade, maybe a painted statue, maybe one in mosaic tiles, and so on), but all of a similar size so we could construct things like the Sandpoint Cathedral, with the uniform size of the statues working to advantage.

The Idea is incredible! I wanted to use the large Lamashtu mini in a temple but the good/neutral gods as statues/golems/avatars are actually even better.

It's because I was putting away the Lamashtu mini after running Thistletop for the second time that I thought, "I want all the gods about this size. As statues."

I have a couple extra Karzoug figures which I'm likely to strip and repaint as statues. It would be nice (but maybe not practical) to have statue versions of famous figures who'd likely have statues as chase minis or convention specials, but really it's not too hard to strip and repaint, especially as stone.

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Looking forward to the next set, and generally very happy with the current one. Two requests, one of which you've surely heard from me before.

1. More contrast on the paint design, please! Figures that are mostly dark colors lose so much detail. I can't count how many otherwise good figures pre-painted black & brown have been a huge disappointment until I peered closely and saw that the figure itself was pretty good; there was just no way to see that.

When in doubt, default to much lighter shades. The paint should enhance rather than obscure the sculpture.

Also, just more color in general. There are too many black, gray, and brown figures that would really pop with a brighter color scheme.

2. I would love to see a couple or three large statues of Golarion's major gods in each future set, preferably not simply painted stone gray but in interesting variations (maybe a jade, maybe a painted statue, maybe one in mosaic tiles, and so on), but all of a similar size so we could construct things like the Sandpoint Cathedral, with the uniform size of the statues working to advantage.

Most of these figures would still be useful to non-Golarion players, since the gods make for pretty great general (if not generic) statue subjects.

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I like to think of Arni as a Mythic dog.

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One of my key references for this book was the Magic of Thassilon web supplement, in which you'll find all the mysteries of the Gluttonous Tome.

I've purposefully not statted out Radovan and the count.

Radovan is not only a rogue (and perhaps another class, which I've left vague because readers have statted him out so much better than I ever could) but also a special entity (as revealed a little at a time in "Hell's Pawns" and the first four novels).

Varian began as a (magically disabled) wizard/aristocrat/fighter but retrains almost every novel as he learns more about his unusual affliction. After Chapter 17 of Lord of Runes, I think it's safe to say that Varian has achieved his "final form." I'll leave the game experts to say just what class that is.

The Shadowless Sword has not been statted out (to my knowledge), but that's partly because Varian has not yet discovered all of its abilities. After reading Lord of Runes, you know its main attributes: speed, revealing illusions, and the ability to cut damned near anything.

Janneke is a ranger/fighter. Kazyah is indeed a druid and one of the two highest-level allies the boys have met. (The other, incidentally, is also a druid.)

Illyria is a necromancer.

The Oracle I never statted out, but it's safe to say he too was a high-level divine caster.

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If I do say so myself, Master of Devils, Queen of Thorns, and King of Chaos all include adversaries (and some allies) operating at a very high-fantasy level. Prince of Wolves much less so.

Glad you enjoyed the book!

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Thanks, Valantrix1.

Dragnmoon, I've found myself wishing I could see the spellings when I only listen to the audiobook.

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Usually I listen to the audio sample before deciding which format to buy, although I still buy the physical book if I expect to get it signed or if the book is lavishly illustrated or otherwise physically beautiful.

I confess that I bought hardcover, audio, and electronic copies of A Dance With Dragons. Hardcover because I knew George was visiting that particular bookstore and would sign one for me, electronic because I couldn't wait to start reading, and audio because it's my favorite way to experience the books, but it came out a short while later.

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Dragnmoon wrote:
So I decided to keep listening to the Audio book and I am glad I did. Though I am still feeling like I am missing out on some back story, the novel itself is excellent.

Yes, there's certainly a lot that's happened before, but I don't think you need to know any of it to understand what's happening with this story.

That said, references to that backstory are there both for continuity (developing the characters without pressing a reset button at the end of every book) and in the hope that, if you liked this one, you'll want to go back and read or (eventually) listen to the others.

And if you did dig that audiobook, a review on the site would be much appreciated. The line is very young in audio format, so the more good word, the better.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here already.

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Major_Blackhart wrote:
I read the book. Never read any of the other stories really, but I didn't feel like I was missing anything to be honest.

I can't testify from personal experience for the obvious reason, but I've heard from people who've started late that they've had no trouble. Others really need to go chronologically. I sympathize with them. I think I'm that way with other series, for the most part. The exceptions are usually crime/mystery series, where I often start way late and then just plunge around at random, usually to no ill effect.

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Lou Diamond wrote:
Dave, with Varian's problems with casting memorized magic why has he not crafted a staff. Now that he is possibly an arcanist that might not be an issue I stll would like to see a high level caster in golarion have a staff.

Varian is much more a sword guy than a staff guy, but staves are cool.

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Lou Diamond wrote:

HI Dave, why did you tease of Varian's return to Cheiliax through out the whole book and not have him go home?

How will Radovan's pettion to be made a Barron go over at Court with the feelings of Chelish Nobility on Hell Spawn?

Is Varian's bachelorhood about to end?

On Varian's martial status, I think that given his families status in Chelish nobility that the Queen might try to play match maker to tie Varian closer to the throne. What do you think of that?

Is Varian going to give his third of Goutiness Tome to the Queen in place of the other Book that he was supposed to give her?

The answer is "foreshadowing" and "maybe one day you'll see." I always seed these books with hints of what might happen next. You've just gotten too good and spotting those hints.

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graywulfe wrote:

I have a question about something in the book. I am only part way into Lord of Runes but I have read, to the best of my knowledge, all of the other Radovan and Jegarre stories that have been published.

** spoiler omitted **

Read on. Radovan explains later.

I'd considered writing a longer version of the Janderhoff story as web fiction, but you wouldn't have needed it to get the reference.

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Dragnmoon wrote:


If this is my first book (Since this is the first in audio format) will I feel like I am missing something because I have not read the prior books?

No and yes. But mostly no.

Each of the Radovan & the Count novels stands alone with a complete, self-contained story. But they're also like a mystery series featuring the same detectives. If one loses a brother-in-law in an earlier story, you might read that the guy is dead later (but not how he died).

I think it's safe to read any of the novels first. Lord of Runes is a good starting point. The others that make particularly good entries are Queen of Thorns and Prince of Wolves. Master of Devils and King of Chaos are less good as starting points unless you're an especially big fan of wuxia or the Worldwound crusade, in which case they're just fine to start with.

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Lou Diamond wrote:
James, In Lord of Runes it talks about some sort of upheaval in the political structure of Korovosa. Could you comment on was is going on in Korovosa.

It is indeed a purposefully vague reference to the events of Curse of the Crimson Throne. Players should be able to read it without being substantially spoiled.

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Alayern wrote:

Also (missed the edit window) What do you all think of using footnotes in a fictional writing piece as a way to deliver background info?

Johnathan Stroud did this with his Bartimeus Trilogy and I greatly enjoyed it at the time.

I briefly considered just that when first writing from Count Jeggare's point of view but decided against. It's a great tool if you can pull it off, but even then quite a few readers will turn away the moment they see something that looks too academic.

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Ross Byers wrote:

I'm surprised we haven't had a chance to have this answered in a story yet, but what does Count Jeggare have to say about Andoran?

For that matter, what exactly is he Count of? Jeggare would appear to be a family name, not the name of his County.

I have considered both of these questions in past and decided they'd be more interesting to answer in the context of a future story.

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Say, what's this?

Come on by. I will answer spoiler questions, but I'll use the cloaking device. You won't have to see them if you don't want to.

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Tierce wrote:
Already half way through and having difficulty putting it down! You do this to me every time Dave!!!!

I hope it provides some textual healing.

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Tinkergoth wrote:
Sigh. I had to cancel my subscription not long ago due to the worsening exchange rate. No idea when I'm going to get a chance to read this, which is a shame as I love Varian and Radovan (to the point that I have characters in a couple of different games, not Pathfinder ones, with names that reference them).

I miss the days of parity with the US dollar. Since I buy US goods more often than I'm paid in US dollars, it takes some adjusting my ordering habits.

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Ernest Mueller wrote:

Agreed but for different reasons. I didn't know this change was coming, and when I opened up my box I was like "what, is this now in large print for Grandma?" It looks wonky. I went and compared it to a bunch of other books I have of the same size (arbitrary pulls from the top of my to-read pile - Tim Butcher's Blood River, Philip Keith's Blackhorse Riders, P.G. Wodehouse's Leave it to Psmith) and I realized why - it hasn't been redesigned right for the new size factor, both on the cover and in the interior. The new size is fine in and of itself, and I have probably a full bookshelf of books with that exact size factor, but there's a design problem that makes it look like a kid in ill-fitting clothes.

On the cover, the logo is oddly placed (low) and all the fonts aren't just larger, but seem to be stretched vertically to try to use more of the space. The back cover, without more content, seems to be making the odd choice to put the UPC code in a prominent location to burn real estate. In the interior, the text is leaving a lot of the page blank especially at the bottom.

The existing design is fine for mass market paperbacks but it doesn't work "just bigger" for the new format. It makes it look clumsy and amateurish. It's like the cover expected to be a centimeter shorter at the top and the interior expected to be a centimeter shorter at the bottom. I strongly suggest going and pulling a bunch of books of that size factor and comparing how they do front and back covers and their internal pages.

The Wodehouse book...

I bet Paizo will take this sort of specific criticism to heart and adjust the look of the line going forward, but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes another couple of releases for your feedback to catch up with the printed books.

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Ed Reppert wrote:

Arni is definitely cool.

Dave, what are these "house drakes"? I look up "drake" in the bestiaries, and those are all large two-legged evil dragon kin. Whatever "house drakes" are, they aren't those things, I'm thinking.

Not finished the book yet, but I'm close. I'm getting the impression that Varian is ** spoiler omitted **
Am I close?

Yes, as others have pointed out, "house drakes" in fiction are "pseudodragons" in the game, just as "hellspawn" in fiction are "tieflings" in the game. (Interestingly, "hellspawn" and a variety of other more-specific names have now become canonical in Pathfinder sourcebooks. Maybe the same will happen with house drakes, a term that Elaine Cunningham might have devised for Winter Witch, unless one of the Pathfinder devs suggested it to her.)

As for Varian's specific class, I'm cool with arcanist, although I was thinking of it in even more vague terms for reasons that will become apparent as you come closer to finishing the book and have yet a different question about his class.

I'll gladly answer this question at length and in more detail at my upcoming fantasy Reddit on June 4. I'll even answer spoiler questions now that I know how to use that tag.

For now, it's time to finish preparing for this afternoon's slightly belated birthday party.

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And by the bye, I'll be answering AMA questions next Thursday, June 4, over at the fantasy subreddit. Since I have learned to use the spoiler tags, I'll be happy to talk plot points with those of you who've actually read the book already.

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While Radovan's latest attire is always fun, I'd love to see illustrations of Zora, Kazyah, and Illyria.

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Thanks for the kind words, Protoman. I'll just mention, all casual like, that it appears the reviews page is now open.

I take the opposite of offense from comparisons to Moffat's work, although I'm more a fan of Jekyll than of Who. You have seen Jekyll, haven't you?

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I suspect so, but I don't know which retailers provide which formats and which of them are DRM-free. The thread to which I linked earlier is the place I'd search for that info, if it's already available.

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I've been coy about the details (although I've been dropping hints at my blog), but just as Prince of Wolves was my love letter to Hammer horror pictures, Master of Devils my mash note to Kung Fu movies, and Queen of Thorns my ode to high fantasy, Lord of Runes is my love letter to everybody who ever played, ran, or contributed to Rise of the Runelords, Curse of the Crimson Throne, or Shattered Star.

Never before have I managed to cram so many Golarion Easter Eggs, including some pretty substantial characters, into a single novel.

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I can't look at that quote without getting both Billy Idol's "Rebel Yell" and, inexplicably, Sweet's "Ballroom Blitz" mixed up with the song from Return of the King and then the whole thing stuck in my head.

Devastation Bob: This is the first of the books released in partnership with Tor, which among other things means it's a larger, trade paperback format with the higher cover price. (Paizo Subscribers get such a deep discount that it's almost the same price as previously.)

More info on the Tor partnership here.

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This hotel is a much better venue. It's wonderful to have a hall of single- or double-game rooms upstairs.

Barcon is, as ever, the highlight. And, as you know, what happens in Barcon stays in Barcon.

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Belabras wrote:
I like to think that Arnisant lives a rich adventuring life that Radovan and the Count are just blissfully unaware of. After all, you can't really picture him just waiting back at the inn while his people go out and brave danger.

Yes, this.

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leo1925 wrote:

Ok, thank you both for answering.

Another question (this one goes to Dave Gross), since the Arnisant chapters in Master of Devils, any chance the count's father will cast awaken on Arnisant so that we can have more chapters with him in future books?

I wanted to give Arni a side quest in Queen of Thorns, using the fae creatures of Kyonin as something equivalent to the kami of Tian Xia. Alas, TPTB did not share my enthusiasm for an Arni mini-adventure sequel. That's not to say it can never happen, but I don't think the chances are good.

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leo1925 wrote:
Dave Gross wrote:

I actually considered the question of why BCD didn't seek out a regeneration spell. In his case, it was a matter of pride (he couldn't do it himself) and guilt (because [spoiler] died when he lost the arm).

Especially since the bigger characters in MOD were inspired by the operatic world of wuxia fiction, that was more than enough reason for me.

That's pretty much what i had guessed, it fits the narrative of a wuxia story but this isn't what i asked. I asked how you deal with such an issue when writing a story, do you try to find reasons for not happening? do you alter the story a bit to explain it? something else?

I dealt with it by incorporating the qualities of pride and guilt into his character. I didn't have to alter anything because I had it in mind when conceiving of his personality.

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I actually considered the question of why BCD didn't seek out a regeneration spell. In his case, it was a matter of pride (he couldn't do it himself) and guilt (because [spoiler] died when he lost the arm).

Especially since the bigger characters in MOD were inspired by the operatic world of wuxia fiction, that was more than enough reason for me.

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Kalindlara wrote:


EDIT: Forgot to question! Which of the published APs is your favorite? (Liane or anyone.)

The only ones I've actually run are the early chapters of Runelords and Jade Regent, and I love them both. As a GM or player, Varisia is my "comfort food" location in Golarion.

I've read or skimmed many of the other APs, or at least their summaries. Curse of the Crimson Throne is my favorite that I've read but not played.

Assuming we can actually finish Runelords this year, I'm keen to try Kingmaker, Reign of Winter, dShattered Star (probably after CotCT), and Legacy of Fire.

I played an oracle in a bit of Carrion Crown and loved the atmosphere. I've skimmed the AP for references to Prince of Wolves (thanks, Wes!), but I haven't read it closely. I'd like to run it or finish playing it some day.

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Thaldis wrote:
Am I really meant to put all my questions here?

All of your questions. All of them.

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Liane Merciel wrote:


7. All the Chaotic Neutrals are fundamentally incomprehensible to me. I've tried. I just can't put myself in that headspace. It's not that I don't like them, but I feel like I'm staring at one of those magic eye pictures and it's probably a bogus one that doesn't even have a secret image attached, it's just laughing at my headache. Yes. The picture is laughing at me. That is how I feel about Chaotic Neutral deities. I think they would be pleased.

This changes when you have children or students.