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Primalist Bloodrager 13

Race: preferably anything without a Strength penalty. Human, Half-Elf/Orc, Variant Tiefling, Variant Aasimar to name a few good options.

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this seems pretty fun.

Something like this: Not only are you high defense, you give your opponents a good reason to attack you. By raising your allies defenses while debuffing and damaging your opponents.

Merrick
Female tiefling magus (bladebound, kensai) 13 (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 264, Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat 55, Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Magic 9, 47)...

i think a phantom blade spirtualist works better.

By level 13 I'd think a real spellcaster a better idea than a martial-only class or a 4-level caster. A cleric perhaps - 7th level buffs, or quickened 3rd level ones, make a solid argument IMO. Put some of those bonus feats towards overrun to improve mobility & back that up with spells like righteous might and grace. Clerics of Gorum can get armor training via the ironbound master feat for a little more mobility too. With the rage subdomain they might get strength surge to make absolutely sure of overrunning someone.

Already played this character, and usually i play wizard and/or druid so no full casters

Chelios wrote:

A tank must have good saves (fortitude and willpower are the best for me), good Ac, good HP or at least the ability to heal himself, the ability to threaten a lot of enemies and the ability for positioning in the best way in oreder to protect allies. (we start from level 13, and i can use all the book, no 3rd party allowed).

Well, assuming you don't want to play an unkillable Fey Foundling/Greater Mercy supercork paladin, or something out of the Occult splat that makes both and you and your GM tear your hair out....

Already played the immortal paladin, what do you means with Occult splat?

Hi guys i want to build a tank.
A tank must have good saves (fortitude and willpower are the best for me), good Ac, good HP or at least the ability to heal himself, the ability to threaten a lot of enemies and the ability for positioning in the best way in oreder to protect allies.
(we start from level 13, and i can use all the book, no 3rd party allowed).

How can i build a blood alchemist?
Are there some feats for him?

I'll start like this:

Paladin Lv 1 Human

Traits: Ancestral Weapon (cold iron Falchion), ?

STR: 19 DEX: 12 CON: 14 INT: 12 WIS: 7 CHA: 15

Feats: Power Attack, Fey Founding

What is the best to way to go untill lv 20 for feats (not horse bond)?
Is there something cool with eldritch heritage to build around?

A crossblooded bloodrager is going to have one of the worst will saves around. Be warned. I'd go with just arcane over crossblooded elemental/destined.

Urban bloodrager sounds good but you don't get good dex to damage as a bloodrager. It might be better to bite the bullet, play a standard bloodrager and go with the usual str to attack/damage. Maybe get a reach weapon and combat reflexes to make some use of the dex - this might work well with the bloodrider archetype and a lance, come to think of it.

But does small reach weapon give reach? Sorry sometimes i confuse myself with 3.5 rules.

I actually like Crossblooded Elemental/Destined for Halflings. Two-Handed Weapons are still the best for it, so an Elven Curved Blade with Power Attack is pretty good. It worked out great for my Halfling Paladin a couple years ago.

How do you get exotic proficiency without wasting a feat?

Is a good idea building an halfling bloodrager?
What is the better way to do it?
A slinger? Two-weapons fighting? Intimidate uild? Archer?
Of course the best archetype is the urban bloodrager.

Archer, rage, empty quiver style OK - but what's iron caster? Is that an armoured spellcaster, or someone who uses item mastery feats, or what?

It's a specific build for the fighter

I'm trying to mix a switch hitter with empty quiver style feats with iron caster and rage.
Have you any tips?

Chelios wrote:

how can you save that stat block( i think you use hero lab)?

Ravingdork actually makes his sheets by hand. If you navigate your way into the tools section of the Gallery, you can find a blank charactersheet that you can open in MS Word or Open Office.

ok thanks, i thought he uses an addon of herolab

how can you save that stat block( i think you use hero lab)?

I prefer to go with diehard in stand of power attack that i'll pick at lv 5, now this is my character

I can you help me build a kinetic knight for my friend. He hasn't an accout, so i'm here to ask for him. He wants to deal a lot of dmgs and being a little bit bulky. We are playing Rappan Athuk, we are evel 3 and we use 25 points build. He prefere the water/earth elements.

I need int 13 for improved trip, i can pick the feat for stamina point for bypassing the int 13 prereq.

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i don't know if i want power attack

Its utility depends upon whether or not you're two-handing, and how far ahead of the curve your total attack-bonus is. (And also if you're an AoO-generating machine, or have an even spread of three iteratives down to -10.)

I fight with a lucern hammer, 2 handed weapon and i make a lot of AoOs, can i use dirty trcik on AoO? Because i prefer it to trip

Thank you for all your advices, i am the one with the higest dmgs in the party and i am a monster with enlarge person, i have some troubles in the room with 9 giant leeches also if i killed 2 in a round with AoOs, that room was really terrible and difficult i have the impression that the DM leave us live, now we are level 3 and i think i'm gonna take the phalanx feat, i don't know if i want power attack

What do you think about my warpriest for Rappan Athuck?
In the group there are a fighter with tower shield, a ranger( the one with trap finding), a paladin-oracle( the oradin build) and an Arcanist.

I think it's a pretty bad deal. once a day you can spend a move action to get a feat for 1 minute. Which feats are you thinking of flexing in once a day that is better than having 1 feat all the time?

barroom brawler + abudant tactcics + stamina points( that ever DMs out there must leave to their fighters to use)

The combat feat barroom brawler gives an ability similar to martial flexibility class ability of the brawler to get temporary feats, giving lots of options. The advanced weapon training abundant tactics lets you use barroom brawler more times per day, equal to the fighters weapon training bonus.

this seems really pretty solid, so Barrom Brawler is a must have feat at 4th level.

Hi guys, it's like 2 years i didn't play pathfinder, but now i'm back. I read there are a lot of new stuffs for Fighter( starting from advanced weapon/armor training), so what are the new builds for the fighter? I remember the trip one with a reach weapon was one of the best one, but now, for exemple, i think dirty trick is a better way.
Some advices please.

it's my problems or there were some exemples of builds?

I can multiclass Magus eldritch archer or something like that

so there isn't a class who i can play as wand gunner( like artificier in 3.5)?

I think Mysterious stranger could be a wand user, it has a great Charisma and a little bit of utility deeds, so i'm thinking about building around a "support" gunslinger who stays in the back of the battlefield helping spellcaster defending themselves. I also think the blatherskite can be a fun archetype. Can ypu help me move around this build idea( levels don't really matter).

So i'm thinking about a PC who is a kid( only for flavour) and his borther died in a war, so he remains all alone since the brother comes back as ghost/spirit
At first i think to do a Summoner character since Summoner is really a strong class and i can make an eidolon for being his borther, than i think about the Spiritualist, but it is a bit hard to build or i can't understand how to build it so i made 2 characters:

1)Race: Human with Dimdweller e Focused Study
Traits: Heirloom Weapon (longbow), Highlander
STR: 10 DEX: 16 CON: 14 INT: 12 WIS: 18 CHA: 7
Spiritualist LV: 5
FEATS: Skill Focus( stealth), Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot.
Skills: Stealth +15 ( +2 in hilly/rocky areas, +2 in dim o lower light areas), +4 Swim, +4 Climb, +5 Knowledge (arcane), +5 Knowledge (nature), +5 Knowledge (religion), +6 Use Magic Device, +13 Sense Motive,+9 Perception .

GHOST: Dedication - HP: 48 - CA: 17
STR: 12, DEX: 16, CON: 14, INT: 7, WIS: 10, CHA: 15
Fort: +3, Will: +4, Ref: +7
FEATS: Iron Will, Weapon Finesse, Antagonize.
Skills: Diplomazia +9, Stealth +10, Sense Motive +7, Perception +7.

2)RACE. Human with Dimdweller
Traits: Reactionary, Highlander
STR: 7 DEX: 16 CON: 14 INT: 12 WIS: 10 CHA 18
Spiritualist Fractured Mind LV: 5
FEATS: Weapon Finesse, Signature Skill (intimidate), Blundgeoner, Enforcer.
Skills: Stealth +11 ( +2 in hilly/rocky areas, +2 in dim o lower light areas), +1 Swim, +1 Climb, +5 Knowledge (arcane), +5 Knowledge (nature), +5 Knowledge (religion), +13 Use Magic Device, +13 Intimidate,+13 Bluff.

GHOST(?): Despair - HP: 48 - CA: 17
For: 12, Des: 16, Cos: 14, Int: 7, Sag: 10, Car: 15
Fort: +3, Will: +4, Ref: +7
FEATS: Weapon Focus (slam), Weapon Finesse.
Skills: Intimidire +9, Stealth +10, Sense Motive +7, Perception +7.

I can't think something better, have you any advices?

My idea is to demoralize foes or help my friends in my round and using bodyguard + combat reflexes in enemy round, for this i want to pick 1 lv in cavalier for the tactician ability. In my round i can start a song, guide my allies or demoralize enemies.

Yeah, Spell Warrior or Urban Skald can help a lot, depending on what you want to do. Spell Warrior slightly depends on what level you're expecting to play at. Spell Warrior tapers off late game (since with higher bonuses, you can buff fewer weapons.) And Urban Skald/vanilla Skald get a lot better at 10/11 when you can hand out Greater Skald's Vigor.

I'd figure out what sort of buffing you want to do. Specifically, I'd look at what Rage Powers you might want to hand out. You can also look at Totemic Skald, which has a bunch of other options from Animal Focus powers.

You could make a very defensive healer-y Skald for example:
Mouse Totem - Everyone gets Evasion (combine w/Heightened Reflexes spell)
Guarded Life/Guarded Life greater - Everyone converts twice your level damage into nonlethal when they would go below 0.
Greater Skald's Vigor - Everyone gets Fast Healing 4.

I m gonna play S&S so i think spell warrior is better because we start from lv 1.

I'm not sure about skill focus, probably power attack is bettere, i don't know

Chelios wrote:

i really like to build around intimidate debuffing, because YAAARRH I'M A PIRRRRRRRATE ESCPAPE FROM ME

If you go with a melee build with a slashing weapon you can go with the Blade of Mercy/Enforcer combo.

Blade of Mercy lets you do nonlethal damage with slashing weapons at no penalty, plus +1 bonus damage. (officially requires worship of Pharasma)

Enforcer makes it so that every time you do nonlethal damage you get to do an intimate check so that they're shaken for a # of rounds equal to the damage. On a crit they are frightened for one turn.

To be pirate-y, you could say that you go nonlethal because you want the chance to decide whether to hold them for ransom.

That combined with the occasional Blistering Invective seem to fit the bill.

i never understand how non lethal damage works, the bucaneer archetype makes non-lethal dmg from lv 1 with all weapons

i really like to build around intimidate debuffing, because YAAARRH I'M A PIRRRRRRRATE ESCPAPE FROM ME

What's wrong with a bard without archetypes? I don't think much of either of those archetypes myself.

i'm talking about skald not bard. Suggest me something with bard( also ranged, when underwater i can use magic and something like )

One thing to consider - if your BIG BRUTE FRONTLINER can be convinced to dip a level or two of barbarian (I find Wild Rager is an excellent choice for this), the benefit he receives from a Skald jumps significantly.

We had a fantastic four-man half-orc party for Giantslayer based loosely around the concept for the movie 'Four Brothers' where one player was a Skald and the others were two Fighters and a Scarred Witch Doctor (original rules) but all four of them took a Barbarian or Blood Rager dip to represent the wildness in their blood... the effects were devastatingly effective.

Chelios wrote:

Charon's Little Helper wrote:

Chelios wrote:

stalker is dex based

In that case definitely go Bard. The Skald is great with STR characters, but the Skald's song is pretty worthless for dex based characters. (boosts their saves while lowering their AC)

There are quite a few ways to build them. Do you want to be pure support? Would you prefer to fight? Bards can also be pretty decent combatants - either melee or archery.

I don't think to go archery because we are gonna play S&S and DM suggests to not use ranged weapons( i trust him). I would like to go buffer and a lttle debuffer via intimidate skill.

No ranged weapons in Skull & Shackles? That seems... odd... to me. Well, I'm sure he has his reasons.

As far as de-buffing via Intimidate, make sure you have access to the 2nd level spell Blistering Invective, its excellent in that it doesn't require a feat or saving throw to work well - the fire damage is just a bonus.

Warlord and urban skald can archetype toghter, i can start from here.

Chelios wrote:

stalker is dex based

In that case definitely go Bard. The Skald is great with STR characters, but the Skald's song is pretty worthless for dex based characters. (boosts their saves while lowering their AC)

There are quite a few ways to build them. Do you want to be pure support? Would you prefer to fight? Bards can also be pretty decent combatants - either melee or archery.

I don't think to go archery because we are gonna play S&S and DM suggests to not use ranged weapons( i trust him). I would like to go buffer and a lttle debuffer via intimidate skill.

It will depend a lot on the players. If the stalker is strength based, a normal Skald should be fine -- especially if the sorc/arcanist brings in summons. Otherwise a bard that doesn't give away inspire courage is likely to work better with the group. If no one is interested in the normal raging song, you might look at urban skald. Their song is less powerful, but it doesn't get in the way of AC or skill checks.

I would lean towards skald because spell kenning will help fill in some of the healing/condition removal spells starting at level 5.

stalker is dex based

My team is 1 stalker, 1 sorcerer/ARCANIST 1 witch and( probably) 1 BIG AND BRUTE FRONT LINER. What is better a bard or a askald, and how to build him?

how about a spiritualist?

i'm here thinking to build a water kineticist for my next campaign in S&S, but i really don't know where to start, my other friends are going to play a witch, a stalker( PATH OF WAR), a sorcerer and a fighter, and i'm afraid to be underpowerd next to them.

Cloaked Wolf

They seem to work best in a game where you can use social stealth. Assassins Creed type characters.

You are right but i really prefer unleashed fury over solo tactics and teamwork feats.

monster tactician/heretic inquisitor + reformation inquisition

Cloaked wolf seems a really cool archetype, do you have any ideasfor building one?

Really hard to see which build choices you made in this format. It would be a lot easier if you just list feat and talent choices by level.

ok

What do you think about my Teisatsu Vigilante for S&S?

LV 1

LV 6

LV 13

I was there first :)

Totally agree although I'm not sure if you can classify a D8 HD 3/4 BAB class as martial.

But here's the rundown of what Teisatu adds over Ninja:

Pros
-Vigilant Talents over Ninja Tricks (Talents being superior)
-Access to (1) Monk Ki-Powers
-Better Saves
-Social Talents

Cons
-Less Skill points
-No access to master tricks
-One less Talent (less than Ninja Tricks)
-Sneak Attack (for a generic build it's prolly slightly better)
-Access to more Ninja Tricks
-Access to regular Rogue Talents
-Evasion + Uncanny Dodge
-Poison Use (yeah that's a class feature...)

I think teisatsu is really strong for a non-caster class( TY PAIZO) and you can build one in differente manner. Laso he can copntribute really also in out oif combat situations, is a good archetype.

I think Teisatsu vigilante is one of the best martial classes, it's reakky strong and can be tier III if builded the right way.
What do you think?

Yeah. that can sure be a problem. Although there are underwater crossbows.. Granted pretty harsh range increment (20? i think underwater but can fire normally).
I'm told fireballs are rather nasty in that kinda game though. For turning incoming ships into pyres of doom. I would imagine a fair number of people would have a solution for that though.

I don't know of anyway, other than a few spells (though their names slip from my mind) that can help with ranged under water though.
And there is something to be sad about having dimensional door, and rapier with your teammates.

Hard choice; although it sucks to be onesidedly hit by ranged attacks from another ship, that is outrunning your ship so you can't escape nor catch them close enough to board.

STR: 9 DEX: 16 CON: 12 INT: 17( +2 goes here) WIS: 14 CHA: 7

Any of them ranged inclined?

If not,
I'd suggest carrying a rapier for close encounters, but picking up a bow, and mostly bow feats and or spells.

I m thinking a lot for going ranged, but i don t think is the best way to combat underwater, and i'm afrajd in S&S there are some parts underwater.

My necrocculist in a home game is working wonderfully. Level 12 mythic 1, so take this with a grain of salt but I was able to have both a high int and str, boosted by a transmutation implement. Wade into melee with a falchion and enjoy. Abjuration is a great school to stay alive in melee, necromancy is better than people give it credit for (excellent save or suck), trans to hit harder and get around the battlefield. I also took evocation because we didn't have an arcane caster. Main point is occultist can do whatever you want it to, just place your mental focus carefully. I made an incredibly versatile character for my party's odd needs, but I'm loving the class.

^this, i want to be the utility character, the fill all the roles. In my group there are a barbarian a Fighter and a rogue

In last days i tried to build an occultist for a S&S campaign.( we use 25 poiints build and hero points- i choose to take a feat and no heropoints)
I pick the half elf for race( with child of the sea and fey toughts)
For stat i use
STR: 14 DEX: 14 CON: 14 INT: 19( +2 is here) WIS: 11 CHA: 7
Feat: skill focus( linguistic) - bonus - orator - 1st lv - amateur investigator - heropoints -
trait: Vagabond Child, Pragmatic Activator
skill: linguistic, profession( sailor), swim, sense motive, UMD( only to odds lv), 1 rank in knowledge( any level a different one) are the top ones.
One of the implements is divination, the other one i don't konw and i'd like you help me to choose.

this is what i build, first level i pick orator because i like to speak a lot with my charcters. He was enslaved when he is a child, but when the slaver goes in a brothel he was freed by the prostitues and he works here like handyman. he found the "implement item" and start to study secretly the arcane power, than he decides to leave for going to peril port etc etc

That's the psychic-casting occultist class, not the occultist archetype of the arcanist class?

Assuming the former it depends what you want the sorc/wiz replacement to do, and when. They can get teleport... but at 13th+ level, not at 9-10. They can get fly (& similar effects) at 7th+ level, & overland flight at 13th+. They get a bunch of battlefield control & disabling spells but not all of the best - color spray & create pit are missing for example, though glitterdust is available.

While they won't have enough endurance out of their spells alone they will be able to use their implements to cover some combat actions, and they may even be able to swing a sword usefully. It really depends if the restricted and delayed spell access is too much of a problem for you or not.

I'll talking about the occultist class.