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We will be using

mass-combat RULES for when Army V Army in some of the Challenges.

Amy size
Medium 100 CR of individual creature
EXP as stated per Army Band.

I'm looking to the boons/Special Abilities thing, still trying to see how you build with that.

Thinking 1x Special Ability
30 BP for Army Resources as you like.

Commanders Boon Max x3, They also need to take leadership feat.

YOUR ARMY Commander is your CoHort or lesser Army member NOT YOU, I have a very good resin for this Game wise.

So when you make your Top Army Band Alt, Place into that a brake down of what your over all army will be and do v the mass-combat RULES,

In a nut shell if we don't use these rules one combat will be Minon V Minon fights and my life is just to short for that.

:)

====MAKING ALTs======

All PCs and ALTS have to be made on paizo NO 3ed location sheets.

You will need an Alt for.

1: Your PC

2: Any Familiars/Animal companions/Edalons/Mounts/Psicyral/Intelligent Mythic item etc.

3: For your Cohort

4: For each band of your army 1 2 and 3.

5: A Alt of links to your regular summoned things, so I can just look it up.

6: An Alt for your camp, you have 1 Cubed mile on which to encamp, this is your area and no other player can enter it unless you agree to them being in. Once in its up to you to oversee them and get them to go. The area is 50% above ground 50% below. You will have 24 hours in which to make camp. Is a dry barren and hot, wast land.

@fnord72 + @jimibones83

The crafting rules are because without them, you can't have a +5 flaming, sonic holy longsword. You also can't have a +1 silver dagger, unless it is listed as a specific weapon at d20pfsrd. You are pretty much stuck with only the specific magic weapons already listed at d20pfsrd. Which really, really sucks at this level when you potentially have many varied opponents to go up against.

Yep in a nut shell

And if you have ever played a high level character before, you know that you will quickly fill your slots up.So you have a ring of protection and a ring of freefall on. Which are you taking off to put on the freedom of movement ring?Crafting, at its simplest, lets you combine multiple items. You pay a "tax" of 50% of the cheaper items to add their ability to the most expensive item.Casting classes have access to the crafting feats. The crafting feats generally say you spend half the cost to craft an item.GM's are understandably leery of letting a cleric have twice as much gear as the fighter. Many GMs forget that the fighter has a crap-load of combat feats while the cleric has to spend their few feats to buy the cheaper gear.

Yep just my point. But now I am worried about non magic user classes.
Humm

So generally, if a GM doesn't want to have discounted crafting they won't require the feats. This opens it up to everyone being able to pick the weapon and armor qualities they want, just pay the retail price. Unfortunately, our GM would prefer to have rules that limit crafting so much as to effectively eliminate it as an option. For instance, with the CL 14 rule, no scrolls of spells higher than 7th level. Scrolls are the backbone of a caster, so they're kinda screwed. Well you can 'cheat' by picking a spell from the summoner list that is 6th level instead of 9th on the cleric/wizard list. No crafted item that uses a spell of 7th level or higher (CL 15). No metamagic rods that aren't listed since the base CL is 17 for any metamagic rod.
So really, to figure this out, just open your corebook (or other approved book), turn to the magic items pages, and pick...

Humm good points, looking at it like that I am going to UP the CL for

Crafted Items Max now is CL20 I think that will allow more

Also
Non Crafting PC CAN have items made bespoke but they must pay full price not crafting price for each of the combined or made/crafted item.

That way they can have them but at a price.

This should open up more items to every one.

Race building rules

1: 25 Point Buy

2: Race, that dos not go over the 21 Race Point build in race builder, If you wish to play a monster you must remake it in Race builder Limit RP 21 as well, then go from there. If you take a race that less then RP21 like Human you can Spend the out lacking RP from its built upto RP max of 21 to add stuff on top.

3: Level 20th both sides of the Gestalt + 10th Level Mythic

4: Templates, you can have 1 template by paying for it with levels on one side of your gestalt.

5: Classes, Any on http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ it has to be on there or its out, SO YES to 3PP and YES to Psionics, and YES to Godlings.

6: 5 traits and 2 Drawbacks. [that right 2]

7: You get the Leadership feat free feat and Leadership score is Max'ed at 25 at the start of game.

8: 4,000,000 gp for items/permanency etc on this character and/or your Amry

9: Magic items, See magic item rules

Armys

This is your army brake down.

Any Core, Featured or Uncommon Race is usable. [No Draw Nobles]
templates Yes pay levels.
Race Builder yes RP 11 to build with. [no don't ask for more, bar-humbug]

Band 1 - Grunts
levels 1-2,
You start with 50 1st level grunts
They have 500 XP each. you can give them a zero template of you wish. You can combine 3 to make 1 second level Army MPC.

Band 2 - NCOs
Levels 3-6,
You have 50,000 Xp to spend NPC's in this band.

Band 3 - Officers
Levels 7-12,
You have 250,000 Xp to spend NPC's in this band.

Band 4 - Cohort
Your Cohort is your General, unless you have an officer take the role.
Level 17. You can DROP your CoHorts level and feed the EXP from this into your Army. So a drop from 17 to 16 level Cohort gives you 250,000 XP to spend on any 1 Band of your Army. Do it again down to 15 and you get 175,000 more, cool go on you know you want to. What could be the down side A? hehe

You get Leadership as a free feat and you score is 25 at start of game. This feat can not be taken any any member of your army.

We will be using "Fast" Experience Point leveling HERE

Total money you can spend on your Army is now 2,000,000 Gold just like you. You can take money from that pot to add to your 4,000,000 GP or you can give some to your army.

So the total coin you have to spend is 6,000,000 no more no less, that is unless you take the Rich Parents trait and then you get 900 more.

hehe

Fay is a temple CR2 GM Think she will shift to that at level 21 to 22
but if we moving one at a time with levels, will change that to Advanced CR1, Note this PC will move very very fast. On the battle field its built to close engage and very quirky indeed.

++++++++++UP-DATE+++++++

This is an INTEREST CHECK ONLY.

Please do not build full characters and Your Leadership Army's at this point, I'm happy for you do so what you like off screen to try out ideas, but for now here I would like a simple brake down of what you may build in ways of your PC and army

Your PC a *simple* breakdown
PC
Character Class/Levels
Character PC Race
Archetypes Used
Mythic root
Style of leadership you use on your Army
What dos you flag look like.

Cohort
Character Class/Levels
Character PC Race
Archetypes Used
Why are they you NO2 in one sentence

Your Leadership Army
Leadership Number/score
Leadership army look and feel in once sentence
--Nothing more V how many or what classes they are, we will do that later.----
Why do they follow you?

This would help me a lot to see if the leadership levels are about the same, and this will all work, if not I may have to fix the leadership score so everyone is around the same. YES Fowl I know that nufs thrallherd Whisper: See here very one he was going to sneak this in as his class. I know him that well

UPDATE*
I am banning the thrallherd class, sorry but it brakes me game.

Thanks.

Ok yes you have all dreamed about this so here it is, the game you have always dreamed of playing
The Gestalt Epic Level Mythic game.

Know as "Soon to be gods"

The setting -

For 50,000s years the Ziggurat of the God Games as not been seen,
Now news has come to you that once more it has arrived on your plane,
that once more the games will start and one just one, the winning being will Join the ranks of god like inside the Ziggurat. Where power unknown to any planes can be had, where truths that should never be told are said to be hidden. You also hear that others are gathering their powers to take the challenges in an around the Ziggurat of the god Gamers. You must move fast, gather what followers you can and head there by any means. Its location the say in a place called "The World Wound" even now empires are sending army's to seek it, Princes and kings, grate mages and Demons search for it. You need to get there before they, scrying gets nothing but a polite "No" Even the gods themselves seem to be keeping well away? why more to the point why is it here NOW? after all this time, something they said came before even the 1st world. You have to no, you must know, now is the time to act.

making you PC/ Soon to be GOD PC hehe.

1: 25 Point Buy
2: Race, Any this dos not go over the 21 Race Point build in race builder, that go's for monsters as well, you remake it in Race builder then go from there, if you take a core race etc like Human you can Spend the RP to again stuff in stop, what ever race you are, RP max of 21.
3: Level 20th both sides of the Gestalt + 10th Level Mythic [You can take advanced or Mighty but not both, Giant is fine to stack but you must pay levels on one side of the Gestalt, no levels in Monsters, see Race above if you wish to play a monster.]
4: Classes, Any on http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ it has to be on there or its out, SO YES to 3PP and YES to Psionics, and YES to Godlings.
5: 5 traits and 2 Drawbacks. [that right 2]
6: Feats, you MUST take the leadership feat and have a cohort and a band of follower minimum. [This is very impotent to the game.]
7:your building with 17,000,000 gold, From this you have to arm and equip yourself your cohort and ALL you followers [NO CRAFTING TO get prices down, IT MARKET PRICES ALL THE WAY before start of game] any and every thing you own comes from that.
8: Stat and equip all cohort's and followers so I can understand them as NPS] also a cohort needs a background with description and follows need a description and band them by level.
9: Your PCs background, How did you get to where you are now, what did you do, a want to know who your PCs
10: Aliments - Any [That's right even CE, your not in a party, your the head of a army, if your good your kind to them if your bad your mean to them, But I want to know HOW you control them, this is also KEY to the Game]

NOTES: My spelling suck as I am dyslexic, sorry nothing I can do but I do try. If good spelling means more to you than fun, then this is not the game for you.

In this game there will be a kind of PvP but through the proxy's of cohort's, and followers, this game will be as much about politics as it will be about killing stuff. Take your time and work to make your little army well. Your very lives may depend on it.

I will keep this open for 4 weeks, because this is going to be a lot of work for you guys. Closing date, 10-11-2014.

Wile you build I would like players to check and help each others Builds.
I'm good with the rules but not that arrogant I think I know them all or to that point most of them with something like this, Also I will miss stuff and your help would be cool.

What I am like as a GM, I get spelling wrong, rules wrong now and then and may have to take a short brake from time to time because of RL.
But I love flavour, The RULE OF COOL and for the most part moving things along. I will be checking the game once a day and like players to post once a day on average.

HOW the game will start:

One of your followers comes to you, They have found it, the Ziggurat before any other, your going to be 1st, you will be arriving at a large plain, hot with all manner of world wound things in it. And there a mile high is the gold Ziggurat of the God Games glinting in the sun.

Just updated her background with home world information and more on her history, also got her powers and DCs right now.
She is now 100% done

B then D Then C or the shortest root

I take it this Blindness wares off, if not we all heading back to town, and a very short game this will be.

As Rosa's sign slowly comes back she looks around, Dead frog, some body's or some such, and a hurt bug.

She then walks over to Rakdon and with a curt swift move of her hand clips the Ratfolk at the back of his head, like one would a child.

"Next time you attack with out warning, something we are trying to get around without a fight and I personally cut your limbs off and let you fight it with only your bad breath, Do You understand!"

She looks him hard in the eyes, wile holding a very big sword, so he understands she means every word she just said.

Rosa moves something on her arms and her clothing changes to a kind of one peace bathing suit that covers her from head to toe. There is just an eye slot for her to look out of. She straps her sword in place on her back, and re-straps her dagger on her left upper leg. Her tail moves and pulls the dagger then puts it back. Then again she go's into army mode. To the others she says.

"large Swords and maces will be little use, you can't swing well underwater, so spears and stabbing weapons are good. Same with Bows and crossbows, range is very short, and your Bolts will flout away. Some magic will work but fire will be of little use, cold and sonic are good how ever. Its all about close range and thrusting, things that live in the water can move fast and they get close to kill. If you have light cast it on a item not on yourself. Why? so you can drop it if needs be. Some things in the deeps are big, stupid and attracted to lights. Kit wise, strap all you can down, add weight, you can breath underwater but swimming with combat kit on may be a problem, so walk!. Ill check you all before we enter the water. If anyone has a rope now is the time to use it, It would be best if we where roped together for this. That way any one falls the others can pull up. Think of this as claiming under water more than swimming, if you can swim do so, and we can have you at the front as rope puller and guide, if you need to know more just as me, this is not my 1st time doing this."

She then looks over the others to check there fixed for fighting in water.

This is why you have her, she may not know tech but she's had lifetimes of fighting in odd places

Ref-Underwater-Combat

She looks up at the Orc, her smile gets wider.

"If you wish me to keep my Devils money I will, but you sir, your just the kind of fellow we need in or venture company, I bet you cut deep with that sword of yours, much like my own. Sign up, join us."

As she says this a young man come up to her side, he has two of his fellows standing some way off looking on, all of them spotty fasted farm boys, in a voice that sounds just broken he asks .

"Can I.."

"CRUNCH!"

His eyes go wide and holding his manhood falls over dubbed up. It seems that Rosa's armoured fist found it's way to his crutch. Looking down at him with a pain look.

"No you may not!"

Then she looks back to her new fellow trailers.

She had been waiting days, seeing the town panic, the brave head off never to be seen again. She had kept back, waiting until they called the meeting. She had been sent here a week before, her mission was simple, odd things where afoot in Torch, chaotic things, possibly demonic things. She was to get to the bottom what was going on, if demons then deal with them. She was given moneys and sent on her way. Now the day of the meeting, she waited until the talk was over then.

A hooded form to one side moves, there is a clattering sound as if hooves walked on the stones under foot. It stops, questions are being asked by others of dolga-freddert, teams are forming. The tall one now reaches up and pulls down it's hood then opens it's cape.

There at 7.1 stands a hell spawn, female, her clothing, black, red and silver steel, with the symbol of Asmodeus on her breast Armor. Armor that is intricately made Armor of silver red and black scales. Her skin silver and finely scaled, On her back a black cold iron great sword with red blood runes. A tool used in the hells for killing demons. Her white hair animated, her silver orb eyes surveying the room. In a clear hard voice she says, harsh over the questions and muttering.

"I am the Lady Rosa Luminnuss, priestess of hells king, Asmodeus, who will join me in collecting this reward. An even share of all that's gained in wealth as dictated by contract law. Each one who joins me gets 20 gold right here as a signing bonus and, as a sign of also of good faith."

She giggles a small pouch of coins.

"Do not wast my time if you are weak or feeble, or fear doing what ever is needed, I seek only the strong of body and mind! come see me if you are such."

That said she turns and walks over to a table, she sits down, waiting to see who comes.