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Raychael wrote:
Hi, Cade! I suspended your order until September 30th, 2021, so please let me know if there's anything else I can do for you!

Thanks!


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Hello!

Could I get my shipping / payment pull delayed for order # 36672330 until September 30 at the earliest?

Thanks,

Cade Herrig


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Cori Marie wrote:


The laughable part of this is that in my ten years as a subscriber I have seen the price points change on books multiple times. When I started subscribing back in 2011, Adventure Paths were $19.99 each (which is the price they started at in 2007 with Burnt Offerings). Then in 2013, that price point went up to $22.99 with the first installment of Reign of Winter. In September 2015 that price went up again with Hell's Rebels to the current $24.99 price point. So yes, prices of the books is not an unchangeable number, and in fact they've been at the current price point for longer now than they have ever remained at one price.

2015 -> 2021 with inflation would be about $28.84 per AP book today if anyone's curious.


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Yoshua wrote:

I've taken a few days off of constantly posting. Will likely pick back up tomorrow. I wanted to chime in and say that there is great dialogue amongst the fans here.

I see virtually none from anyone that could affect change.

I understand this is the weekend. I also understand that it is naive to assume these threads aren't being monitored.

When will the powers that be arrive? The customer think tank is great, even better with former employees chiming in. No sarcasm and much gratitude for that.

Actions are needed, clear detailed plans and actions. Sara Marie is valued greatly by our community. Paizo claims that the treat their employees like family.

With the numbers I am reading I am worried about the Paizo Family and I am invested in understanding how the leadership intends to correct course.

We are seeing a lot of posts about compensation. However the issues brought up by former trans employees needs a big bright spot light shined on it. The issues brought up about working conditions needs a big bright spot light shined on it.

The statements of Mona and Buhlman help to shine a flashlight, but the statement from Alvarez fails to meet bare minimum requirements. Looking forward to next week now that GenCon is passed and what the leadership has to say about the road map ahead.

Responding mostly because I felt like hitting the +1 wasn't sufficiently aggressive agreement.

Sufficient compensation is comparatively "easy" for an outsider to look at and think about, and it makes life livable in a practical, physical sense. Workplace conditions and treatment outside of compensation, on the other hand, can easily make life not worth living no matter how big your paycheck is.


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Liz Courts wrote:

Let's say Paizo has 100 employees (again, not sure, but let's be generous), and wages increase by $5000 across the board, so $500k a year more in labor. In our hypothetical print run for a hardcover book, let's say it's 20,000, with the MSRP being $39.99. In order for that labor cost to be absorbed, the cost would have to go up by $25.

This hypothetical model only accounts for a single product, not the multiples that Paizo produces in a year. That's simply not the scale Paizo works at. Let's expand our hypothetical print run to the following:


  • 4 hardcovers a year, 20k print run each
  • 18 APs and adventures a year, 5k each
  • 24 PDFs, 2k each

Again, Paizo makes more products than this in a year, but the number of units in this hypothetical print run is 188,000. To absorb that wage increase each unit would have to have an MSRP increase of...almost $3. If I subscribed to every item in this hypothetical print run, it would cost me an extra $146 a year (or about 13 typical Starbucks orders for me).

So I did this assuming every year will be like 2020 for Pathfinder and that Starfinder will maintain 50% output (and assume 50% sales) because data is fun.

Does not account for PFS, SFS, accessories, etc., which would increase things by a bit more.

Six hardcover Pathfinder books @ 20k ea = 120000
Twelve Pathfinder APs @ 5k ea = 60000
Two adventures @ 5k ea = 10000
PDFs for 20 Pathfinder publications @ 2k ea = 40000
Three hardcover Starfinder books @ 10k ea = 30000
Six Starfinder APs @ 2.5k ea = 15000
One Starfinder adventure @ 2.5k ea = 2500
PDFs for 10 Starfinder publications @ 1k ea = 10000

Total output: 287,500

Raising the cost of every product by $5 would be an increase in revenue of $1,437,500. We'll call it $1,500,000 after accessories and Society stuff.

Paizo currently has roughly 80 employees. Increasing the cost of all products by $5 would allow Paizo to increase total compensation by $18,750, or about $9/hr.

Paizo does have to pay some in payroll taxes on this, roughly 10%, so we could increase employee compensation by $17,000 instead to cover that, which would come out to roughly $8.17/hr increase.

Maybe you don't want to increase PDFs as much, say maybe only a $2 rase for PDFs. APs would be $30 for print and $20 for PDF then, for example, which seems okay. That would increase revenue by $1,287,500. Again, we'll round up to $1,300,000 for accessories and Society. Doing the payroll tax dance again, that would be a raise of just under $15,000 (just under $7.21/hr raise).

We can also do this the other way. IIRC, the last time I saw a CSR job posting, the posted wage was in the neighborhood of $16/hr (little more or a little less depending one experience etc). To get a 1 bedroom apartment in Redmond and the surrounding areas by yourself, you're looking at needing about $22/hr to get in the door (as most apartments want your pre-tax monthly income to be at least 2.5x rent). That's a $6/hr raise, or $12,480/yr. For you to get that post-payroll tax, Paizo would need to budget about $13,867 per employee.

If we take that $6/hr raise (plus payroll tax) and apply it to every one of its approx. 80 employees, you'd need an increase in revenue of $1,109,360. That's a $3.86 / item increase.

Now, I like $5 for books and $2 for PDFs coupled with the $6/hr raise, as Paizo can then bank the ~$400,000 difference to either hire a bit more workforce or just put it in a Vanguard account or something to cover COLA and seniority raises next time those come up.

If I bought all the books, I would pay $150 more, which roughly 0.5% of the US median income. If I bought all the PDFs instead, I would pay $60 more, which is roughly 0.2% of the US median income.

I think that's probably fine.


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Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Some do not live on these boards but have responsibilities outside of monitoring a gaming companies behavior.

General etiquette is to catch up a discourse before jumping into the middle of it.


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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:
I will compile a list of Twitter handles to follow at some point.

Oh hey something I can help with. Others may have personal Twitter accounts but these are the folks who are public enough and active enough that Twitter has recommended I follow them. Includes higher-ups because I am not a good arbiter of the category "low-to-mid". Apologies to any staff that I've missed that feel they should be on this and also apologies to any staff who would prefer not to be on this.

Raychael Allor: @AnnonInGelydh
Brian Bauman: @BrianMBauman
Jason Bulmahn: @Jason Bulmahn
Logan Bonner: @loganbonner
James Case: @toriariaria
John Compton: @Archaeotagh
Adam Daigle: @Daigle
Katina Davis: @KatinaLMDavis
Cosmo Eisele: @feralsloth
Eleanor Ferron: @Izsisu
Leo Glass: @leoglasswrites
Logan Harper: @itsloganharper
Mika Hawkins: @mikamala
Thurston Hillman: @OnCallGm
Patrick Hurley: @hurlepat
Jenny Jarzabski: @jenjski
Jason Keeley: @herzwesten
Mike Kimmel: @_MikeKimmel
Avi Kool: @legalizegoblins
Maryssa Lagervall: @maryssamari
Ron Lundeen: @RPGRonLundeen
Luis Loza: @donatoclassic
Erik Mona: @erikmona
Mark Moreland: @yoda8myhead
Sonja Morris: @robosapienx
Ianara Natividad: @Imachinate
Joe Pasini: @joeadultman
Sarah Robinson: @sarahrob72
Michael Sayre: @MichaelJSayre1
Mark Seifter: @MarkSeifter
Aaron Shanks: @aaronwshanks
Alex Speidel: @AlexSpeidel
Levi Steadman: @arrannai
Jason Tondro: @doctorcomics
Tonya Woldridge: @TonyaPaizo
Linda Zayas-Palmer: @lzpalmer


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I would like to see more clear, actionable steps put forward by the company. This is pretty empty. Even if you just wanted to throw something up to stop the bleeding, a "we're going to discuss this internally and come back with the steps we're going to take" would be better.


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dirtypool wrote:
If it was a situation so unique that they could offer almost no information other than a denial of some of the Twitter claims - then going anonymous to weigh in at all seems to have been done solely to muddy the waters.

Given the high emotions of the situation, they may not have thought that far ahead.


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Just to be clear, I'm pretty sure Lu Pellazar goes by "Lu" as opposed to "Lulu."


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The only thing I really want to hear from them is what they're going to do to fix it.


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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:
Just a reminder that Vic and Lisa have stepped down from executive roles but remain sole owners of Paizo and ultimately they call the shots as to who is the CEO. Paizo isn't a publicly traded company and there's no lords of the boards to oversee the leadership.

But there can be, even in private companies. Diluting and checking power at the management level seems pretty important given what we've learned.


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werewolfpaladin wrote:
I think the main thing I want to see is corroborated action. I don't want some big "we'll do better" post and have that be the end of it. I want to know what specific actions they're planning to take and either an employee group or something to corroborate that those steps are actually taking place.

Right. Whatever the response, the steps taken need to be clear, public, and measurable. "X thing by Y date," "Z change in policy or structure," that sort of thing.


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Zaister wrote:
Cade Herrig wrote:
Public stakeholder reports
There are no public stakeholders. Paizo is 100 % privately owned by Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz.

Stakeholders rather than shareholders. Stakeholders are anyone who has an interest in the company's success, which includes us.


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So what's actionable steps here? What would people need to see from the company to see it resolve this? As Rsyky says, that's the vital thing.

For me, I need a handful of things for sure for sure:

  • Jeff Alvarez needs to step down and Lisa / Vic need to finish their transition out. This is minimum viable for me.
  • An employee union needs to be started immediately. A group with heft, probably the CWA. Provisions for protecting employee speech and certain actions are pretty important here, as well as a grievance process for workplace harassment and poor working conditions.
  • Sara Marie needs to be at least offered her job back unless she genuinely did something terrible, and employees that resigned in protest also should be offered the option to return.

    Other things I'd like to see for future stability:

  • Move to an actual board with employee members on said board through the union rather than the quasi-sole ownership vibe that exists now. My preference would be to have an employee on the board for every subgroup (e.g., warehouse, customer service, tech, development, design, editing, operations, etc.), but I can move on that.
  • Regular (annual? quarterly?) diversity audits of both hired workforce and freelance contributors.
  • I'd love a dedicated DEI employee, almost an inspector general-style position, who would have the ability to force material cuts if they're racist, homophobic, etc., which is apparently an issue.
  • Public stakeholder reports

    What else needs to be on the to-do list?


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    Sounds like the team needs a union and fast.


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    As far as I know, I agree with everything on here, but did something happen specifically to trigger this? I feel like I've missed something.


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    Hello!

    Generally, the Pathfinder and Starfinder Wikis use cover images from official Paizo product pages. With the Player's Guides moving to direct-link and no longer having a store page, my reading of the CUP is that we won't be able to put the cover images of those products on the Wikis. No cover art (by itself) has been published on the blog either. Am I reading that right, that we'll have to skip out on covers for these books?

    Thanks,

    Cade Herrig


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    Loving running Abomination Vaults, so super pleased that it's getting a collected edition already!


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    Any news on the maps?


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    Xathos of Varisia wrote:

    This is a really nice essay. I am thrilled to see the use of footnotes which is the only way a scholarly paper should be presented with.

    I would not give Roll20's Orr Report much value. Its validity is in question as its methodology is very questionable to say the least. I'm not that thrilled by ICv2's methodology either. It is ignoring the digital sales which I feel are worth a great deal more than many think to Paizo in particular.

    I agree completely about both the Orr Report and ICv2, but unless William Jorenby wants to send me an excel file of Paizo's books, it's about the best I've got to work with.

    Paizo's direct sales through subscriptions also have to be absolutely enormous.


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    Kamicosmos wrote:

    Excellent article! Tons of info, very fun to compare my personal 3.x-D&D-PF-PFACG timeline with the official timeline!

    Only thing I might add is you didn't mention the other two large and successful computer video games: Pathfinder Kingmaker and the just about to be released follow up Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous. Both based on the APs of the same name, publisher/developer is Owlcat Games. PF:KM has been very successful, and WOTR seems on the same trajectory of success.

    The two things I need to add are definitely the Owlcat Games partnership, but also the Organized Play Foundation (Paizo's nonprofit arm kinda). I've been trying to dig up some information on the OPF before I get into writing another couple of paragraphs, but your suggestion will be included!


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    WatersLethe wrote:
    Cade Herrig wrote:
    WatersLethe wrote:
    Main reason I'm excited for this: People will be able to cite it for editing wikipedia entries for staff. Looking at you Jason Bulmahn!
    I wouldn't necessarily cite this on the Wikipedia being that it's unpublished. Rather, if there's something in the paper you'd like to put on the Wikipedia, look at the sources the paper uses and cite those. Alternatively, feel free to PM me and I can dig up something to use as a citation for some fact you wanted to verify X.
    I assumed you'd have it published somewhere!

    Hey, if I can find an academic journal that'll put out a 40 page essay on a gaming company with me having no other notable qualifications or previously published works, I'll do it.


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    WatersLethe wrote:
    Main reason I'm excited for this: People will be able to cite it for editing wikipedia entries for staff. Looking at you Jason Bulmahn!

    I wouldn't necessarily cite this on the Wikipedia being that it's unpublished. Rather, if there's something in the paper you'd like to put on the Wikipedia, look at the sources the paper uses and cite those. Alternatively, feel free to PM me and I can dig up something to use as a citation for some fact you wanted to verify X.


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    Tonya Woldridge wrote:

    Fun read!

    As a history major, I appreciate you taking the time to read through all the source material and distill it down into one document. Even more interesting to see the company from an independent, not staff, perspective.

    Praise from fellow history majors is the best kind of praise when it comes to this sort of thing. Thank you for that, and thank you for the feedback you left on the paper proper!

    Cosmo's Slightly More Evil Twin wrote:

    Needs more Cosmo.

    As the 10th most senior Paizo employee, I can't disagree, there just isn't much in the sources available to me to tell the full tale of Cosmo Eisele. Given what you linked, I assume I have Cosmo to blame for this.


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    Erik Mona wrote:
    Cade Herrig wrote:
    Paizo also announced its new organized play campaign, Pathfinder Society, headed up by veteran Nicholas Logue, who had co-founded the Wizards’ Living Grayhawk organized play campaign during his tenure at that company.

    A couple of quick notes and corrections.

    It's "Lucasfilm," not "Lucasfilms."

    It's "Greyhawk," not "Grayhawk."

    When you mention Kyle Hunter as an original employee you are correct, but from what you wrote I inferred that he had been with the company all along, which is not the case. He was the art director for Undefeated, and left the staff during that round of layoffs, only to return last year. If you want an interesting Kyle Hunter fact, he's the guy who designed the Paizo logo.

    Also, this line:

    "Paizo also announced its new organized play campaign, Pathfinder Society, headed up by veteran Nicholas Logue, who had co-founded the Wizards’ Living Grayhawk organized play campaign during his tenure at that company."

    Is not correct. Lisa and I were co-founders of Living Greyhawk. Nick was not involved with that campaign's launch or administration, and I don't know off hand if he ever participated in it at all.

    More as I keep reading through this. Overall it is very remarkable!

    Re: Greyhawk & Lucasfilm: fixed!

    Re: Kyle Hunter. I have his multi-year disappearance noted in a footnote, but I'll more clearly note it in the body of the text

    Logue: I actually got that from you! In the press release I cite (which is here), I read it as you describing Logue as "co-founder during his tenure at Wizards of the Coast of Living Greyhawk". I realize now that I read that quote wrong, and in fact it was describing yourself, so I appreciate the correction!

    Very excited that you're reading through. I had actually planned on sending it to you once I was completely happy with it in case Paizo had any use for it (or a shortened version) to give to new employees, but this works fine as well.


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    Big thank you to everyone who's commented so far, either on the actual paper or to me personally. I've done a few editing passes and have integrated the suggestions received. Getting to be much happier with the result, though there are still a few spots that need some work.


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    That's the motivation I have behind trying to chronicle Paizo. So many of us currently involved in the hobby wouldn't be without Pathfinder. Paizo's particularly vital choice to release their rules set under the OGL (and the Compatibility Licenses) was so important to keeping the hobby moving during the early 2010s,and it allowed people like you and I who did not live in big towns or near gaming stores to keep experiencing the hobby. My first books might have been from Wizards, but my first games were with Paizo because of the online community. It's a story worth keeping track of.

    Beyond that, "Explore, Report, Cooperate" is only worth something if someone is keeping the archives back at base.


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    vagrant-poet wrote:
    Long read, but very interesting. Funny how much of it I remember.

    I had the same experience as I was going through. (Both parts. I think I took about 20 hours to write this.)


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    So for the past year or so, I've been working on and off on compiling a history of Paizo from documentary evidence. The basic reason for this is that I have half a mind to eventually go back to grad school for an MLIS or history degree, but that's just a thought. I finally finished the first draft today and, while it's still pretty rough, the information is all there, and I figured someone here might find it interesting. It's long, though. Probably the longest single thing I've ever written.

    Feedback is dearly appreciated. I have it set up so anyone can comment. I do know that I need to better integrate the paper's central metaphor into the body of the text. I came up with the title and metaphor somewhere around page 13 and didn't go back to edit. I was also pretty lazy on the citations of most Paizo published works because I didn't have most of the materials in front of me. The product codes are therefore a stand-in for what will eventually be a full citation.

    The Golem of Redmond: A History of Paizo

    Thanks,

    Cade Herrig


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    Hello again. It's been a slow few days at work.

    After throwing together the index of Paizo adventures and posting it up (thread here), I was having a chat with a friend of mine who's big on the Pathfinder Tales novels, and they mentioned that they'd appreciate a similar comprehensive clearing house for Paizo fiction. I tried to find everything as best I could, including the blog posts that aren't tagged super well, so with luck this shouldn't need too much adjustment. This particular index is indexed both by type of fiction and also by author so it can be used relatively easily both ways. Feel free to leave feedback / requests / suggestions.

    From a research standpoint, this whole index is an interesting reflection on the career of James L. Sutter, who we largely have to thank (along with Erik Mona) for the existence of freestanding fiction from Paizo.

    I did choose to omit the old Planet Stories line. If there's interest in that, I can include it as an appendix or something.

    Up to date as of today's Rachael Cruz flash fiction.

    Comprehensive Index of Paizo Fiction

    Thanks,

    Cade Herrig


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    Fumarole wrote:
    Does this not accomplish what you need?

    Author pages on the Wiki are very out of date (e.g., Jason Keeley's has nothing on it after 2017). I could have gone through and edited all of those, but this was faster because I didn't have to do wiki markup. I also find it handy to have the Pathfinder and Starfinder stuff in the same location.


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    Thank you! Sorted out. I've done Mr. Logue surprising disservice, and hopefully his credits are accurate now.


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    Good eye! Thank you. I've added that in.

    And yeah, there have been something like 215 authors who've written adventures for Paizo. It's an absolute mountain of material.


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    Hello!

    Below is a link to an index of Paizo adventure publications by author. This is the result of me being mildly frustrated I couldn't easily look up what Jason Keeley has all written that's playable, so I figured I'd just make a table for others to use as well. Included is the product key for all of the adventures that some day will be a link to the product page, but that's going to take Some Time to accomplish and will be left for another day. I'm planning on keeping this more or less updated as things go on, so feel free to bookmark and refer back as you desire.

    Authors' names in the table of contents are clickable and will take you to the relevant page. Let me know if I need to make any corrections.

    Paizo Adventures Indexed by Author

    Thanks,

    Cade Herrig


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    David knott 242 wrote:

    I found issue 7 available for a dollar here, and issue 1 here. These are both Paizo links, albeit hidden from the Paizo search engine, so I can't be sure that we can actually buy these magazines.

    Try doing Bing or Google searches for "undefeated magazine paizo.com" and you may find others. My searches also found issue 5, but it is unavailable.

    It is too bad they were never able to make these magazines into PDFs.

    This has been some excellent advice. Managed to find five issues (1, 4, 7, 8, and 10), which will probably work out fine for my purposes since it's a good spread across the publication period.


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    Does anyone know of any earthly way to get a hold of back issues of the old Undefeated magazine? Started under Johnny Wilson (late 2002 / early 2003) and ran through to Jan 2005. I'm doing a side project on Paizo history and really want to nab the masthead pages from those 10 issues. Can't seem to get them on the Paizo website anymore, and if I can avoid going through an eBay seller I'd prefer it.


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    Thank you for your help!


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    Hello!

    I'm just wondering, when can I expect this order to ship? It's still listed as pending in my order tracker, but it's been a decent bit over a week since I placed the initial order.

    Thanks,

    Isaac Sumizone