Banning the Advanced Class Guide in its entirety


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Sovereign Court

This book seems poorly written, badly balanced and executed flawfully. What is Paizo thinking?


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It was a play test. The writing hasn't been as carefully edited as a finished product

Your criticisms are just insults unless you're more specific. What exactly are the flaws?


I hope that this thread is in jest. Considering the author's "fire and forget" treatment of it, I think it is not serious.

Silver Crusade

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I ban all classes but commoner, since my PCs can't be better than me. They also have 5 charisma and Flaw: Dumb Hat. Speaking of hats...

Two hats sat on a rack. One looks over at the other and says "You stay here, I'll go on ahead."


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Don't like what you see in the upcoming ACG?

Don't buy it. Don't use it.

Hey! Problem solved! We can all go on with our lives now! ;-)

Trolling aside, it is amazing how spun up we get about "official rules". I freely ban and shift around rules at my table (and in my homebrewing head) all the time, for the sake of gameplay and our enjoyment. Like the Big Guys say on Page 9 of the CR, ultimately they're *our* (the DMs and the players) rules.


This thread is still in the wrong forum though. Unless your Suggestion for people is to Houserule the ACG out of existence and that constitutes your Homebrew.

Beyond that, I'm not seeing much Gestalt, and having worked with Multiclass Archetypes for a bunch of years I think I'd know a Gestalt build. I don't think the book will be error free. I do think it will have cool classes, fantastic art and interesting archetypes, as well as a very interesting chapter on some thoughts from the developers on creating your own custom class. That chapter in itself should be a valuable and historic document, not just for the actual advice but from a historiographical, theoretical and game design point of view.

Posting a thread opining that you will ban an unpublished book, more than 50% of the content of which you have not seen merely exposes a flair for the dramatic and the championing of ignorance.

I'm off to flag my own post as this is still in the wrong forum.

Sovereign Court

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Re: "But my players say they're official rules..."

It's a good idea to establish a standard rule beforehand on whether products will automatically be included. For example, I use the following rule:

1) CRB is included entirely.
2) APG classes, feats, equipment, spells, maneuvers are included. Traits may be included or more campaign-specific traits may be homebrewed. Hero points will probably be used.
3) UComb classes, feats, equipment, spells are included. Wacky stuff like performance combat and optional rules like armor as DR is ignored because I can't be bothered to read it.
4) UM classes, feats, equipment, spells are included. Nothing else from UM is included.
5) UCamp retraining rules will probably be included.
6) Magic items from beyond the CRB will not be included by default. As a GM I will probably occasionally drop them as loot.
7) Anything else from Paizo, high-quality 3PP or even homebrew may be included if a player wants it, but subject to the following:

- I reserve the right to just say No, just because.
- I reserve the right to revoke permission because it doesn't work well. The PC will have to trade it in for something else.
- It should fit the campaign world.
- It doesn't unbalance the party, inernally or externally.
- It doesn't steal another PC's niche.
- The rules are easy enough to apply.
- The player has a printed reference available for himself, and one for me. Photocopies are fine. Looking it up online isn't.

In addition, I want sufficient time to study the thing. I don't want to be taken by surprise by a power that I've never heard of before or that I don't undertand. I comprehend the core game, I refuse to give players options from outside the core game that I don't understand sufficiently.

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