When you cast a spell/use an ability like Cure (which takes random cards from your discard pile and shuffles them into your deck), are you allowed to look at the cards you shuffle back into the deck? By process of elimination you can often times know what they are anyway, just wanted to clarify.
It seems like a matter of timing. You are able to look through your discard pile at any time (but not change their order), but once the cards you 'Cure' go back to your deck they are no longer allowed to be viewed.
Since there's not a method specified to determine a "random card," you could roll a die with a number of sides equal to the number of cards in your discard pile to determine which card gets healed. And do that 1d4+1 times. If you use that method, you'd have to see the card that gets healed. (with the added bonus of not having to shuffle the discard)
So since that's an option, I see nothing wrong with glancing at the cards you randomly drew through another method.
Hawkmoon might step in and quote a rule I wasn't aware of though.
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Psh, I'll beat Hawkmoon to it (of course he'll still find a way to top my post)
While no rule specifically says you can't look at the cards -- so I don't see why not -- there actually is a ruling in the FAQ that says you shuffle the cards and draw the number you need from the top.
Why it needed an FAQ I don't know, but they also have an FAQ item on how to read the d4 and the 0 on d10 not being 0, so...
Since there's not a method specified to determine a "random card," you could roll a die with a number of sides equal to the number of cards in your discard pile to determine which card gets healed. And do that 1d4+1 times. If you use that method, you'd have to see the card that gets healed. (with the added bonus of not having to shuffle the discard)
So since that's an option, I see nothing wrong with glancing at the cards you randomly drew through another method.
Hawkmoon might step in and quote a rule I wasn't aware of though.
As Andrew K pointed out, there is a rule the defines how to select random cards. Here is the FAQ version of it:
When a card tells me to select a random card, how do I do it?
Shuffle the hand, deck, or pile of cards and then draw. Yes, this can indeed have major effects on the deck.Resolution: Add a "Rules" sidebar to the rulebook (we will probably add it on page 15) that says the following:
"Rules: Randomizing Cards Whenever you are instructed to choose random cards, shuffle the cards you're drawing from and draw from the top."
Though that method of random would be bad for selecting a random location. Roll a die in that case.
As for whether you can look at them or not, I'd lean towards technically no, but practically it probably doesn't matter. Here is why:
Technically: You can examine cards in your discard pile and while the discard pile is defined as being faceup and the rule for selecting random cards doesn't say to turn them facedown, leaving them faceup while you shuffle is too tempting, so the spirit of it is that you would have to shuffle and draw facedown. Once you draw them out of your discard pile, they aren't part of your discard pile, so you can't examine them.
Practically: As you said, you can examine your discard pile before and after selecting the random cards, so you can determine them by process of elimination. You also don't have any control over where they go in your deck, so I don't see how looking at them gives you any big advantage.
I will say that there are times where it would be a an advantage. Holy Candle for instance which is sort of like Cure for the Blessing Deck, there would be some value in knowing which blessings were guaranteed to be in the deck. Likewise with adding random monsters or other things to locations (though many times the card/rules tell you to do so with out looking).
So, if you want to look at the random cards before you shuffle them into your deck, I don't think you are going to break anything.
Thanks gents.
We have been playing it like Hawk indicates (and have not been looking at the cards we have Cured), and have been playing by the random shuffle/draw off the top ruling.
It just seemed silly that I have to stare at my discard pile for 15 seconds before I Cure myself, just so i know whats in there and by process of elimination determine which cards were put back into my deck.
When you cast a spell/use an ability like Cure (which takes random cards from your discard pile and shuffles them into your deck), are you allowed to look at the cards you shuffle back into the deck? By process of elimination you can often times know what they are anyway, just wanted to clarify.
Absolutely.
When you cast a spell/use an ability like Cure (which takes random cards from your discard pile and shuffles them into your deck), are you allowed to look at the cards you shuffle back into the deck? By process of elimination you can often times know what they are anyway, just wanted to clarify.Absolutely.
And that right there is why being able to have your questions answered by the designer of the game is so valuable.
Thanks Mike.
