Targeted Dispel: One object, creature, or spell is the target of the dispel magic spell. You make one dispel check (1d20 + your caster level) and compare that to the spell with highest caster level (DC = 11 + the spell’s caster level). If successful, that spell ends. If not, compare the same result to the spell with the next highest caster level. Repeat this process until you have dispelled one spell affecting the target, or you have failed to dispel every spell.
Wouldn't all the buff spells cast by the evil wizard be at the same caster level? So you've either going to get the first one, or none of them?
And,
Why would you pick: d20 + your caster level vs. 11 + caster level of spell
..over this...
You can also use a targeted dispel to specifically end one spell affecting the target or one spell affecting an area. You must name the specific spell effect to be targeted in this way. If your caster level check is equal to or higher than the DC of that spell, it ends.
Isn't, 11 + caster level of spell, always going to be higher than the spell DC of 10 + Int/Wis/Cha mod + spell level unless you target the highest level spell he has?
A 11th level Wizard casts his highest level spell, Globe of Invulnerability [level 6], he has an Int score of 22 [+6], so DC 22, or Dispel check of 22 [11 + caster level (11) = 22]. Any other spell lower than his highest level spells will be easier to dispel targeting the spell DC rather than his caster level.
No not every spell will be at their highest caster level. Potions, wands, and scrolls will tend to be lower. Also you'd pick the highest level spell as well... IIRC that's what it said in the preview for the Cleric.
--Vrock the Cradle
Sure I get that, but the BBEG usually casts all his buffs from his own spell list, as do many other monsters.
The spell DC is the way to go. For example, if the Wizard is flying around and the fighter can't get to him... the DC for his fly spell is going to be an easier target than 11 + his caster level.
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You won't always be able to name a specific spell effect. Being able to name a specific spell effect (in theory because you made your Knowledge (arcana) check to identify a spell effect) requires more skill, and therefore you get rewarded by being more skilled by being able to use your dispel magic against what's probably a lower DC.
Think of the targeting a specific spell effect as "taking careful aim" with dispel magic, I guess.
Isn't, 11 + caster level of spell, always going to be higher than the spell DC of 10 + Int/Wis/Cha mod + spell level unless you target the highest level spell he has?
I can certainly see the DC being higher. At 5th level, a caster could have an int of 24 (18 + 2 (race) + 4 (Fox's Cunning)) and Spell Focus, for a DC of 10 + 7 + 1 + level = 18 + level. The caster level check is going to be DC 16, so even for a cantrip the spell DC is higher. There's probably also a trait or racial ability that could boost the DC even higher.
Even in the less extreme case where the spell DC is the lower value, if you go after the specific spell and miss, you have no effect at all. When you're not targeting a spell, you still have the chance to knock down an effect from an item or a lower level ally.
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"You can also use a targeted dispel to specifically end one spell affecting the target or one spell affecting an area. You must name the specific spell effect to be targeted in this way. If your caster level check is equal to or higher than the DC of that spell, it ends"
I took that to mean the DC was still (11 + caster level), just like a normal dispel.
The benefit being that you dispel a specific effect, rather than a random one of equivalent caster level.
The drawback being that if you fail, you get nothing.
Is that not the case?
So I know this is a bit of a bump, but is there an official ruling on this? The wording is confusing and it has led to a very large debate in our group that has had no conclusion.