Versatile Performance and skill bonuses


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If a halfling bard uses her Perform (dance) bonus in place of her Acrobatics bonus, does she get to add her +2 racial bonus to Acrobatics, or is her racial training overriden by her dance training? What about the +5 bonus to Jump from boots of striding and springing?


*bump* Still wondering if the boots of striding and springing give her an extra +5 to her Perform (dance) roll when she uses it in place of an Acrobatics roll to Jump....


By RAW I don't believe so, the ability says that you use the Perform Skills bonus in place of the appropriate skill bonus. The Halfling racial ability and boots add to the Acrobatics skill bonus, not the Perform.

That said I, don't see any issue with allowing those bonuses to add when using versatile performance as a houserule.

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you only get the perform check, not racial or item or even spell bonuses

like if the bard used glibness for +30 to bluff, it wouldnt add to the bluff if they were using their perform skill to do it


Name Violation has the right of it -- however, if you have skill focus in the perform skill you are using (dance in the case of acrobatics) you would get that bonus, same with any magical items that provide a bonus to that perform skill.

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A bard can do a lot worse than taking Skill Focus (perform) rather than one of the +2/+2 to skills feats.

But for magic items, I would rule that something like boots of elvenkind WOULD grant you the bonus even if you were using versatile performance by using your Perform skill. The boots are supposed to make your Acrobatics work better, and it makes no sense at all for a character specialized in being all Acrobatic to suffer just because the rules allow her to use a different skill check.

Versatile performance is supposed to widen a bard's skill selection, in other words, not to have stealth punishments that prevent you from using items.


James Jacobs wrote:

A bard can do a lot worse than taking Skill Focus (perform) rather than one of the +2/+2 to skills feats.

But for magic items, I would rule that something like boots of elvenkind WOULD grant you the bonus even if you were using versatile performance by using your Perform skill. The boots are supposed to make your Acrobatics work better, and it makes no sense at all for a character specialized in being all Acrobatic to suffer just because the rules allow her to use a different skill check.

Versatile performance is supposed to widen a bard's skill selection, in other words, not to have stealth punishments that prevent you from using items.

We need an FAQ answer. This is the third time you've been answering this.

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Zark wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

A bard can do a lot worse than taking Skill Focus (perform) rather than one of the +2/+2 to skills feats.

But for magic items, I would rule that something like boots of elvenkind WOULD grant you the bonus even if you were using versatile performance by using your Perform skill. The boots are supposed to make your Acrobatics work better, and it makes no sense at all for a character specialized in being all Acrobatic to suffer just because the rules allow her to use a different skill check.

Versatile performance is supposed to widen a bard's skill selection, in other words, not to have stealth punishments that prevent you from using items.

We need an FAQ answer. This is the third time you've been answering this.

Before we can do that, we need an FAQ.

And before we can do that, we have to sort out a lot of in-house crap.

I don't mind answering this multiple times until then.


Sorry I missed the other two answers. I did a messageboard search for Versatile Performance and nothing jumped out at me as being applicable other than my old question from when the core rules first came out.


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James Jacobs wrote:

Before we can do that, we need an FAQ.

And before we can do that, we have to sort out a lot of in-house crap.

I predict the FAQ will come shortly (within 3 months) of GenCon. I don't expect them to be able to start working on it until after the GenCon rush. As it is, the designers are fairly active on the boards, that's one of the things I love about Paizo.


James Jacobs wrote:

A bard can do a lot worse than taking Skill Focus (perform) rather than one of the +2/+2 to skills feats.

But for magic items, I would rule that something like boots of elvenkind WOULD grant you the bonus even if you were using versatile performance by using your Perform skill. The boots are supposed to make your Acrobatics work better, and it makes no sense at all for a character specialized in being all Acrobatic to suffer just because the rules allow her to use a different skill check.

Versatile performance is supposed to widen a bard's skill selection, in other words, not to have stealth punishments that prevent you from using items.

I have a fringe question then, about the Curse of the Crimson Throne's unique item set bonus from Escape from Old Korvosa.

Spoilers for the AP!:

Wearing Blackjack's regalia gives you bonuses to a lot of nifty skills. Do these all stack with the bard's performance? They're technically not magic items.


James Jacobs wrote:


Before we can do that, we need an FAQ.

And before we can do that, we have to sort out a lot of in-house crap.

I don't mind answering this multiple times until then.

Cool :-)

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