| Ballistic101 |
Has there ever been anything official on how metamagics that cause a secondary effect on damage interact with spells that create something that deal damage?
Flaming Sphere, Wall of Fire, Spiritual Weapon are all examples of the spells I'm talking about. Dazing and Toppling are two examples of the type of metamagic I am referencing.
Dazing has a lot of posts here with people weighing in on both sided. Toppling seems to mostly have people in favor of allowing it with Spiritual Weapon, with a lot of the arguments being "there are so few force spells", but that's not really a rules reason.
Dazing's wording is "damaged by the spell", while Toppling's is "If the target takes damage" so Toppling has a wider range of interpretation.
I read a comment arguing against Dazing working with created spell effects since by that logic you could use Dazing to modify Summon Monster and then that creature's attacks would cause dazing. I had started my search assuming that you could apply it to most spells, but that argument convinced me there was a problem with my thinking. Apologizes to that poster, I ended up reading a lot of threads and now can't find that comment.