How advanced were the Azlanti? Possible spoilers for Wheel of Time.


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I just watched the latest episode of the wheel of time, Tel’aran’rhiod. In an attempt to not spoil anything I am going to be vague. Rand sees the distant past. Much of the "technology" looked sci-fi to me, but was defiantly magic. Is this a descent visual for what ancient Azlanti looked/felt like? The scene was short but when I saw the giant floating orb I immediately wondered this question?


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The Azlanti had colonies on Golarion's moon and Akiton, while Starfinder canon has them enduring to found an interstellar empire in another star system altogether. They also created an entire construct Ancestry, the Wyrwoods, to serve them, who are capable of enduring for millennia.

'Pretty advanced,' at the very least.


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Oh, way cool. I was unaware of the Starfinder references.


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keftiu wrote:

The Azlanti had colonies on Golarion's moon and Akiton, while Starfinder canon has them enduring to found an interstellar empire in another star system altogether. They also created an entire construct Ancestry, the Wyrwoods, to serve them, who are capable of enduring for millennia.

'Pretty advanced,' at the very least.

In addition to wyrwoods, much of Jistka's advanced construct crafting was based on surviving Azlanti knowledge, found after Earthfall in a cave where they were stored after earlier tribes pillaged a surviving Azlanti fortress-city. Even most modern constructs are only a pale imitation of what the Jistkans were capable of at their height, which itself was based off looted scraps from a distant outpost, and what survives of Jistka's work has either broken, gone berserk or is starting to awaken to consciousness. If the Azlanti were even more advanced, and were already achieving interstellar travel when Earthfall hit, then they might have full robots more along the lines of what you find in Numeria, robots and androids.

In my mind's eye, Azlant at its height looks like a cross between Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Poseidos from Dinotopia, with a bit of Kobol from Battlestar Galactica. Leaning closer to the techno side of technomagic, making Aroden an anomaly, but with a mystical component to it.

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More magically advanced, but not more technologically advanced. If you're looking for "ancient powerful technology in the past" tropes in Golarion, you'll want to look to the distant planet Androffa, which is where the super science stuff in Numeria comes from.


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James Thomsen 568 wrote:
I just watched the latest episode of the wheel of time, Tel’aran’rhiod. In an attempt to not spoil anything I am going to be vague. Rand sees the distant past. Much of the "technology" looked sci-fi to me, but was defiantly magic. Is this a descent visual for what ancient Azlanti looked/felt like? The scene was short but when I saw the giant floating orb I immediately wondered this question?

They did an awesome job on Rhuidean in that episode! Adding some extra context as a book reader:

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Rand was seeing the Age of Legends at that point, which was both more technologically advanced and also more magically advanced... but there were still significant limits around channeling like exist today. In particular most people couldn't do it, and the One Power is split between its two halves which means folks have to work together to get the strongest results.

The majority of people used technology rather than magic, though some of that technology was powered by magic (Ter'angrel are artifacts that use the one power to do something but may not require the holder to have any ability in it). But most of what was in use by ordinary people was just really advanced technology (more advanced than our real life present) that didn't actually use magic in its operation.

When the accidentally opened a hole to the Dark One's Prison (the big sphere scene), they had detected a new power source that they thought was more accessible and didn't have the split between masculine/feminine. So they were trying to find a source of magic power that could be more broadly used.

So the difference in Golarian is that as James said, most of the technology isn't really more advanced. The magic was more advanced and more widespread and could be mixed with technology.

But the way the WoT show portrayed it was pretty cool and IMO it's in the ballpark at least, so it could be a good metaphor rather than a literal "it looked like this".


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James Jacobs wrote:
More magically advanced, but not more technologically advanced. If you're looking for "ancient powerful technology in the past" tropes in Golarion, you'll want to look to the distant planet Androffa, which is where the super science stuff in Numeria comes from.

I did not quite see it at "technology". Maybe I interpreted it wrong, but what I saw was magic so advanced that I as the viewer could not tell it apart from technology. I assumed that is how they built brides that cant be built or repaired.


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Tridus wrote:
James Thomsen 568 wrote:
I just watched the latest episode of the wheel of time, Tel’aran’rhiod. In an attempt to not spoil anything I am going to be vague. Rand sees the distant past. Much of the "technology" looked sci-fi to me, but was defiantly magic. Is this a descent visual for what ancient Azlanti looked/felt like? The scene was short but when I saw the giant floating orb I immediately wondered this question?

They did an awesome job on Rhuidean in that episode! Adding some extra context as a book reader:

** spoiler omitted **

So the difference in Golarian is that as James said, most of the technology isn't really more advanced. The magic was more advanced and more widespread and could be mixed with technology.

But the way the WoT show portrayed it was pretty cool and IMO it's in the ballpark at least, so it could be a good metaphor rather than a literal "it looked like this".

Thank you for the calcification. That makes a lot of sense.

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