Multishot Stance and involuntary movement


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Multishot Stance said that "If you move from your position, this stance ends." Does involuntary movement breaks stance if we're talking about RAW? For example if someone used Shove. Or if mount moves character.


Atsuma wrote:
if we're talking about RAW?

The rules don't say.

So all we can use is RAI.


I think it is clear enough as written. It does not use the standard language that abilities tend to use ie, "If you use an action or activity with the Move trait," or something similar if that was how it was meant to be read.

So if you move from your position, the stance ends. If the floor gives out beneath you and you fall, the stance ends. If an enemy shoves you and succeeds, the stance ends. If you stride from your position, the stance ends.

All of these are equally valid.


The stance wouldn't work at all if someone argues that standing on the surface of a spinning planet is forced movement that ends the stance. But that is the other end of the spectrum.

How about if the entire battle is happening on a moving platform? Is that forced movement that would end the stance?

Or how about being on a moving vehicle?

Or a mount, as was asked initially?

Where exactly does the line get drawn between 'someone shoves you and knocks you out of the stance because you moved' and 'the planet you are standing on is spinning, so you moved from your original position'? There should be a line there somewhere, but the rules don't say where.


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IMO, the line should be "did something force me to lose my footing."

Moving platform? Keep the stance.
Shoved into a new square? Lose the stance.
Forcibly teleported onto a flat surface? Keep the stance.
Forcibly teleported into the air? Lose the stance.

Seems easy enough to adjucate to me.

Liberty's Edge

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I take the "You move" as meaning "of your own volition", ie not "you are moved". Simplest adjudication and seems OK for a lvl 16 Fighter Stance feat (lvl 18 with the Archer archetype).

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