The new alignment system and Rahadoum


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bugleyman wrote:
25speedforseaweedleshy wrote:
rahadoum are a insult to atheism

I can't say that as a real-world atheist I've ever felt that way, as Rahadoum doesn't deny the existence of gods, merely that they are worthy of worship.

Of course, gods in Pathfinder aren't really gods in the modern western sense of the word. So there's that.

As an agnostic atheist my first reaction to Rahadoum's authoritarian atheism was negative because that's a negative portrayal. Except it's technically not atheism (disbelief or lack of belief in gods), more like misotheism (hate of gods). Rahadoum people do believe gods exist, just that they're unworthy of worship due to the damage wars over worship caused. Also that gods are merely different in power, not kind, which given the Starstone granting apotheosis is an evidence-based position.

So yeah, it's kinda unfortunate terminology & association w/ an authoritarian regime when modern majority-atheist societies flourish, we're talking about a dynamic RPG world. So one needs to make it interesting and inherently full of conflict, as in all Golarion countries and regions have ongoing drama. This means if Rahadoum did evolve from authoritarian antitheism to secular humanism (representation, yay!) then new drama would have to unfold. Given the region, I think I'd dislike the consequences of that even more. Odds are we'd be getting undead or fiends which leads to the "don't you wish you worshiped my god now! Ha, ha!" which tastes bad on my palate given how virulently that's used IRL when "people of another or no faith" suffer.

This leads me back to the OP. Will Rahadoum (and all the others too) have classifications comparable to alignment to give a broad overviews to the temperament of the people & government? I suppose we'll have to move from shorthand to longhand, with perhaps a glossary! At least for now w/ LN there's a mix of good and bad in its authoritarian nature (as opposed to the LE that authoritarians gravitate to on Earth).

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3-Body Problem wrote:
Sanityfaerie wrote:
Temperans wrote:

In interest of no further derail I'll just say this one last thing.

Kineticist abilities were "spell-like abilities". Now they are "spells" or "focus cantrips" or some variation thereof. There is no such things as an ability that creates matter that is also not a spell.

But yeah, as Jacob Jett implied, that's a whole lot of mass getting added to the planet because you bet geokineticist and metalallumkineticist would be adding a whole lot of free adamantine.

In interest of no further derail, you'll continue to derail?

Back during the playtest, they were not spells, they were impulses, and the specific power of Adapt Element wasn't even that. Primal, yes. Evocation, yes. Spell, no.

If they've made a declaration that the kineticist is going to run on spells now, I'd be very interested in hearing more about that. Where did you come across such a thing?

Jacob Jett wrote:
I mean just think about it. If I had an elven character who spent every waking moment of every day (except for breaks) producing one of these elements, how many squares could I cover? For the sake of planetary cosmology this ability has to have some limits (like, think of the gravity of the situation). [It's a physics pun for those who miss it.]
Why would they, though? I mean, you're positing someone who got all the way up to 7th level and then decides... that they want to try to break the world in the slowest and most mind-numbingly boring manner possible? You're making at most 125 cubic feet of material per casting (realistically significantly less). If you did this constantly without stop for anything, for a year, you'd have 7.5*10^10 cubic feet of stuff. If you somehow managed to gather together the physical and mental fortitude, the longevity, and the peace from your neighbors to keep doing it for 1000 years, you'd have 7.5*10^13 cubic feet. Golarion is canonically the same size as earth, at 3.8*10^22 cubic feet. The
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I’m writing this down for my game… special lunatic cult that wants to very slowly drown the world. This is good stuff.

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