Harrow Deck Remastered?


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Will there be guidelines for how to work the Harrow Deck without alignments with the Core Remastery coming later this year (if my gaming group doesn't start before the change comes down the pipe)?

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No, because the English language definitions of the words lawful, good, chaotic, evil, and neutral are all you really need to understand how to do Harrow readings.

But also, the Adventure Path the harrow deck supports, Stolen Fate, is not an ORC Adventure Path and does not use the remastered rules. By the time the remastered rules are out later in November, we'll be two Adventure Paths in the future from Stolen Fate.

Adjusting the Harrow to work with what we end up with in the remastered rules that lives in that area might be something we (as in, probably me) tackle next year, maybe, but until those elements are in place (they're not yet, and I'm not on the team that's working on them) I don't have anything more to say about it...

...other than that, as mentioned above, the English language definitions will probably suffice.

OH and it's not a new edition, so you can still 100% use the knowledge you already have about the alignments and it'll still work perfectly fine.

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It sounds like the alignments are still cosmic concepts the outer planar beings believe in? Or if they aren't, then it wouldn't do much to be like "LG is now Heaven, NG is now Nirvana, CG is now Elysium" and have cards refer to all 9 alignment planes I guess

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CorvusMask wrote:
It sounds like the alignments are still cosmic concepts the outer planar beings believe in? Or if they aren't, then it wouldn't do much to be like "LG is now Heaven, NG is now Nirvana, CG is now Elysium" and have cards refer to all 9 alignment planes I guess

They're not cosmic concepts that the outer planar beings believe in, but I suppose you could think of them as overly-simplified reductionist summations of cosmic concepts that the Great Beyond is organized around.


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James Jacobs wrote:

No, because the English language definitions of the words lawful, good, chaotic, evil, and neutral are all you really need to understand how to do Harrow readings.

But also, the Adventure Path the harrow deck supports, Stolen Fate, is not an ORC Adventure Path and does not use the remastered rules. By the time the remastered rules are out later in November, we'll be two Adventure Paths in the future from Stolen Fate.

Adjusting the Harrow to work with what we end up with in the remastered rules that lives in that area might be something we (as in, probably me) tackle next year, maybe, but until those elements are in place (they're not yet, and I'm not on the team that's working on them) I don't have anything more to say about it...

...other than that, as mentioned above, the English language definitions will probably suffice.

OH and it's not a new edition, so you can still 100% use the knowledge you already have about the alignments and it'll still work perfectly fine.

Thanks!

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