Is Act Together True or False?


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Act Together
Single Action to Three Actions (summoner, tandem)
Frequency once per round
You and your eidolon act as one. Either you or your eidolon takes an action or activity using the same number of actions as Act Together, and the other takes a single action. This lets you each use separate exploration activities like Avoid Notice as you travel.

There doesn't appear to be any directive as to which action comes first. In fact, it reads very much like the actions occur more or less simultaneously.

Does that mean that I can spend two actions on Act Together, my eidolon can Demoralize an enemy, and then my caster can blast said debuffed enemy with ray of frost or other spell?

Or is it that, to get the debuff benefit, the demoralizer needs to go first (using a single action for Act Together) forcing the other character to be left with only a single action (such as a traditional Strike)?

Please explain your interpretation.


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First, your title is confusing. So, thanks for that.

I have always let Summoner players interlace their actions as they see fit - including which one goes first for tandem actions like Act Together.

I also think that the two actions are still going to happen sequentially, so if one of them does Demoralize as part of Act Together, then that happens and takes effect before the other one uses their action as their half of Act Together.

◆◆ Act Together
-- ◆ Demoralize (Eidolon)
-- ◆◆ Ray of Frost (Summoner)
◆ Strike (Eidolon)

For justification, I would point to Mug
◆◆ Mug
-- ◆Strike
-- ◆Steal

The Strike and Steal actions happen sequentially, though the order is fixed and unchangeable. And the first action is completed before the second action and the second action's specifics are dependent on the first action.


I would allow you to choose the order you act because it says "and" instead of "then." And I would allow you to benefit from the demoralize debuff because nothing says you have to resolve the summoner and eidolon actions simultaneously and combine their effects such as Double Slice and the like

Some may not interpret the "and" the same way, and the way the examples are ordered lends weight to that argument, so I would not object if a GM decided they had to be resolved in order from high to low cost

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