Remember The Lost and the PCs

[hyphz]

Sorry, another question that came up.

The text states that you may be able to state the name of someone who the target “murdered or grievously wronged”. The flavour text implies that the victim in question has to be dead but the rules text does not say this. So can the PC argue that the player has “grievously wronged” another PC by attacking them in a previous round?

[breithauptclan]

I don't think that this is flavor text.

Remember the Lost wrote:

assailing your foes’ minds with the memories of those who died with a grievance toward them.

The target has to know someone who died and who they personally wronged - though not necessarily by killing them.

The rule text in question is whether or not you also know the name of that dead person that the target wronged. But yes, the apparition does need to be of someone who is dead.

[_benno]

breithauptclan wrote:

I don't think that this is flavor text.

Remember the Lost wrote:

assailing your foes’ minds with the memories of those who died with a grievance toward them.

The target has to know someone who died and who they personally wronged - though not necessarily by killing them.

The rule text in question is whether or not you also know the name of that dead person that the target wronged. But yes, the apparition does need to be of someone who is dead.

It does not speak of the person who's name you cite needing to be dead though, having grievously wronged them is enough.

Quote:

If you know the names of anyone murdered or grievously wronged by an enemy in the area, you can chant those victims’ names when you cast the spell to improve the clarity of the visions, increasing the damage to the corresponding enemy from 6d6 to 6d10; you can do so for multiple enemies if you know victims of each enemy.

That being said attacking someone in a battle is by far not enough for the term grievously wronged in my opinion. So that's a No for me.

[breithauptclan]

_benno wrote:

breithauptclan wrote:

I don't think that this is flavor text.

Remember the Lost wrote:

assailing your foes’ minds with the memories of those who died with a grievance toward them.

The target has to know someone who died and who they personally wronged - though not necessarily by killing them.

The rule text in question is whether or not you also know the name of that dead person that the target wronged. But yes, the apparition does need to be of someone who is dead.

It does not speak of the person who's name you cite needing to be dead though, having grievously wronged them is enough.

Hmm... I guess technically it doesn't come right out and say it.

But the memories of people you are accosting the target with have to be dead. And the names of the people are (in my understanding of the text anyway) heavily implied to be the names of at least one of those people whose memory you are bringing up. So therefore they would have to be dead. Otherwise you couldn't be using their memory to accost the target with.

Bringing up the name of some random homeless guy who used to be a shop owner before the enemy burned their shop down wouldn't work. You couldn't use this guy's memory since he is still alive. So knowing his name wouldn't help you any.

Now, once the guy freezes to death over the winter, that's a different matter. Now the guy is dead, has a grievance against the target enemy, and you know his name.

[The Raven Black]

Yes. By the description, they have to be dead even if they were not outright murdered.