See what I did there? ... I'll see myself out...
AFTER someone please clarify some stuff for me:
1) Ostentatious Arrivel (SoM /69) creates an explosion (emanation) surronding the Eidolon. Manifest Eidolon demands I manifest the Eidolon adjacent to me. If we take this RAW (rules as written) my Eidolon will burn me too, right? Which sounds counterintuitive since we share the same HP. On Core Rulebook, rules on emanation says "the caster choses if the creature at the center is also subjected to the effect". Do I count on this or only if I have Meld Into Eidolon? And finally, what if my Eidolon is small or a mount and we share a square at the moment of the manifestation? That would keep me out of the "line of fire", right? Please say yes.
2) Master Summoner (SoM /69) says I can prepare two slots for summoning spells. Does it have to be the same spell? Like both of them has to be Summon Elemental?
3) The "summoning" and "incarnate" spells that are covered by Master Summoner appears on a box on SoM page 73. However it does not include the primal 10th level spell Summon Kaiju. Which makes sense, since originally, Summoners don't have access to 10th level spells. HOWEVER, at 20th level we get Legendary Summoner, which allows me to trade one level 9th spell for two level 10 summoning spells. The only 10th level summoning spell is Summon Kaiju. But Summon Kaiju isn't on the list on page 73. But it's the only 10th level YOU GET IT! I got into a loop and I REALLY want to summon a Kaiju and make it explode it's surrondings when it arrives. Can we all agree (this is more a request than a question) that Summon Kaiju was forgotten on the list on page 73 and a primal summoner could summon it if he had Legendary Summoner? Please say yes.
Thank you very much for the taking the time to answer.
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1) Ostentatious Arrivel (SoM /69) creates an explosion (emanation) surronding the Eidolon. Manifest Eidolon demands I manifest the Eidolon adjacent to me. If we take this RAW (rules as written) my Eidolon will burn me too, right? Which sounds counterintuitive since we share the same HP. On Core Rulebook, rules on emanation says "the caster choses if the creature at the center is also subjected to the effect". Do I count on this or only if I have Meld Into Eidolon? And finally, what if my Eidolon is small or a mount and we share a square at the moment of the manifestation? That would keep me out of the "line of fire", right? Please say yes.
RAW, no. Sorry. For Ostentatious Arrival, it works for spell slot summoning though. For emanation effects and sharing a square, Jason in the Secrets of Magic live play even ran it that way - that the summoner takes damage from an emanation effect cast by the eidolon that the summoner was mounted on. Not that Jason hasn't gotten plenty of other things wrong. Watching him run a counteract check was a train wreck. But in this case, it is actually the rule. Emanation rules say that the creature casting the spell can exclude itself. It doesn't say that you can exclude the entire square that the creature casting the spell is in.
2) Master Summoner (SoM /69) says I can prepare two slots for summoning spells. Does it have to be the same spell? Like both of them has to be Summon Elemental?
I don't see that as a restriction. They just have to be the same level. Since summoning spells can all be heightened, any summoning spells you have can be placed together into a spell slot high enough to cast them.
3) The "summoning" and "incarnate" spells that are covered by Master Summoner appears on a box on SoM page 73. However it does not include the primal 10th level spell Summon Kaiju. Which makes sense, since originally, Summoners don't have access to 10th level spells. HOWEVER, at 20th level we get Legendary Summoner, which allows me to trade one level 9th spell for two level 10 summoning spells. The only 10th level summoning spell is Summon Kaiju. But Summon Kaiju isn't on the list on page 73. But it's the only 10th level YOU GET IT! I got into a loop and I REALLY want to summon a Kaiju and make it explode it's surrondings when it arrives. Can we all agree (this is more a request than a question) that Summon Kaiju was forgotten on the list on page 73 and a primal summoner could summon it if he had Legendary Summoner? Please say yes.
If the only thing preventing it is the omission of the spell from a list of spells allowed, then I would think that this is just an unfortunate omission. There is no way that this list is going to be complete as more spells get printed in future books. Yeah, treat that list as a set of examples rather than an exhaustive list of spells available. Especially for a very generic category list like 'summoning and incarnate spells'.
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1) Yes, Ostentatious Arrival hits you if you use it with your eidolon, this is a specific change from the playtest version of the ability which excluded the summoner from the damage.
If you use Meld, you're in the middle of the effect so you can exclude yourself (although some people have said they wouldn't let you use Ostentatious with Meld).
2). No. You take one spell slot and break it in two. They both have to be use for Summons or Incarnates, but they can be prepared freely otherwise.
3) Legendary Summoner specifically says its slots are only for heightening. You never get a real 10th level slot and never gain the ability to add 10th level spells to your repertorie. A Summoner cannot learn Summon Kaiju.
The sidebar on page 73 doesn't include any Incarnate spells and Master Summoner specifically refers to Summons and Incarnates separately. So it seems intentional.
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Another summoner doubt:
Apart from the feat which gives a skill increase to expert, is there a way to raise an eidolon skill to legendary?
Or sharing one summoner skill ( or even use the summoner points to increase the eidolon skill rank).
I haven't looked through all of the summoner feats, so I don't know all of the ways of increasing an Eidolon's skill proficiency separately. I do see the note in Eidolon Proficiencies where it says "It shares your skill proficiencies." So if you get Legendary proficiency in a skill through normal leveling up methods, the Eidolon would also have Legendary proficiency in that skill.