Question about bonus Lore from the Society.


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If you're a Field Commissioned agent and you pick Underworld as your bonus Lore, and you have a background that gives you Underworld Lore, can you then pick another skill instead? Or do you have to pick one of the other options (Engineering, Legal, Mercantile) as your bonus Lore?

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In the steps for Character Creation, your Background comes before Field Commissioned, so when it came time to pick your bonus Lore, you would only have Engineering, Legal or Mercantile left to choose from.

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I don't have an explicit "Guide Answer" for this, as it wasn't something we ever discussed.

But given that these are extra bonuses, and do not have any text saying you can select another, then I agree with Nefreet, if you are already trained in one, you have to pick a different one for your bonus.

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There doesn't need to be specific language about picking a new skill, that's covered in the CRB on p 233 (There's errata specifically about lores not present in the first printing as a note)

CRB p233 wrote:
Each time after the first that you'd become trained in a given skill, you instead allocate the trained proficiency to any other skill of your choice—though if the skill is a Lore skill, the new skill must also be a Lore skill.

I don't see anything preventing you from choosing the same lore, and if you did said rule would kick in giving you a lore of your choice instead.

Seems a little silly and not the desired intent but...

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I disagree.

1. The order of application matters, as Nefreet pointed out.
2. Having a list of options is not the same as being granted a specific trained skill.

If your Background, which comes before the Org Play house rule of PFS Training grants Lore (Underworld), and then you can't select Lore (Underworld) from the list of 4 options provided by your PFS Training in order to get, say, Lore (Poison).

It's not the same as your Background granting Society and your Class granting Society. It is the same as your Background granting Athletics and being a Fighter to pick either Athletics or Acrobatics. I would argue that you can't "pick" Athletics from Fighter so that you can get a free floating training that you then put in Arcana, but rather that you have to take Acrobatics.

Now, if your Heritage or Ancestry feat provided Lore (Mercantile), your Background provided Lore (Underworld), your Class provided Lore (Engineering), and you applied a training to Lore (Legal), then you took Field Commissioned as PFS Training, then you could pick a new Lore, but that would also be the same as picking something other than Lore (Legal) during the Class phase.

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Robert Hetherington wrote:

There doesn't need to be specific language about picking a new skill, that's covered in the CRB on p 233 (There's errata specifically about lores not present in the first printing as a note)

CRB p233 wrote:
Each time after the first that you'd become trained in a given skill, you instead allocate the trained proficiency to any other skill of your choice—though if the skill is a Lore skill, the new skill must also be a Lore skill.

I don't see anything preventing you from choosing the same lore, and if you did said rule would kick in giving you a lore of your choice instead.

Seems a little silly and not the desired intent but...

The start of that paragraph is about skills gained at 1st level, from background and class. It isn't clear (to me) if this applies to the bonus lores from pathfinder training. (I will ask) (Added to Tracking.)

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Just so we're clear I think if there's a list to pick from you should have to pick from unpicked options on that that list rather than triggering the pick anything you want clause.

I just don't see any rules actually supporting that conclusion.

(Not a problem unique to the bonus OP options, classes like fighter already contain a choose from a limited list of options)

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This is the interpretative fog of communication.

CRB, pg 233, the sentence before wrote:
Sometimes you might become trained in the same skill from multiple sources, such as if your background granted training in Crafting and you took the alchemist class, which also grants training in Crafting.

Bold emphasis mine.

To me, correctly or incorrectly, becoming trained from a source--for which the fixed training options of Background and Class skill are given--then you aren't selecting those, i.e., the rule is talking about those mandatory picks. And I do concede that the beginning of the paragraph starts off describing every way in which you can become trained in a skill. I just interpret the latter part to be narrowly focused on the mandatory pick part of the character creation process.

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