Let's take Foley the Fighter against a suped-up skeleton with double the resistances that was tripped and triggers an Attack of Opportunity from standing. Foley lands a critical hit with his Longsword, but rolls the minimum of 10 damage, which is resisted entirely by the skeleton.
Is the creatures action to stand still disrupted with a critical hit despite it being ineffective to wound the creature? I can't seem to find a rule that states what to do in this situation, as we had something come up in play last night that had a similar effect, but I could have swore the rule of "the attack must have dealt damage to apply rider effects" from PF1 carried over.
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Assuming a specific rule carries over from PF1 is a dangerous game to play if you want to play by the rules. It provides precedent that it might be a good idea / something you want to houserule, but a lot changed between the editions.
I will second that I see nothing in the rules to suggest that this specific effect carried over. Moreover, as a GM I wouldn't want to punish my player that hard for rolling poorly. It's already a bummer that their crit didn't do any damage. Keeping them from getting the specialization effect or other effects that trigger on a critical hit / success on top of that is a huge let down imo.
As I understand it, you can disrupt actions without dealing damage.
Many riders trigger on dealing damage, so you can stop those if you resist 100% of the damage. Persistent damage (particularly bleed) is explicitly flagged as a rider that "usually" is not applied if damage is reduced to zero, but that the GM should use their judgment.
This effect triggers on a critical hit and a critical hit simply doubles damage, but doesn't indicate a minimum. So I don't think there's any reason that the crit wouldn't disrupt the action.
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Aside from that PF1 rule not applying to this PF2 hypothetical, Attack of Opportunity does not disrupt move actions on a crit, only manipulate actions. Maybe you're thinking of Mike the Monk using Stand Still?
Aside from that PF1 rule not applying to this PF2 hypothetical, Attack of Opportunity does not disrupt move actions on a crit, only manipulate actions. Maybe you're thinking of Mike the Monk using Stand Still?
I forgot that standing from prone has the Move trait. I suppose you could change it to, say, casting a spell, and the example remains the same.
As I understand it, you can disrupt actions without dealing damage.
Many riders trigger on dealing damage, so you can stop those if you resist 100% of the damage. Persistent damage (particularly bleed) is explicitly flagged as a rider that "usually" is not applied if damage is reduced to zero, but that the GM should use their judgment.
This effect triggers on a critical hit and a critical hit simply doubles damage, but doesn't indicate a minimum. So I don't think there's any reason that the crit wouldn't disrupt the action.
So the argument is that it expressly has to state that it needs to deal damage to count as it being a limitation, similar to the likes of Felling Strike, and that because Attack of Opportunity does not have that limitation, a critical hit from an Attack of Opportunity still disrupts the relevant actions.
So the argument is that it expressly has to state that it needs to deal damage to count as it being a limitation, similar to the likes of Felling Strike, and that because Attack of Opportunity does not have that limitation, a critical hit from an Attack of Opportunity still disrupts the relevant actions.As I understand it, you can disrupt actions without dealing damage.
Many riders trigger on dealing damage, so you can stop those if you resist 100% of the damage. Persistent damage (particularly bleed) is explicitly flagged as a rider that "usually" is not applied if damage is reduced to zero, but that the GM should use their judgment.
This effect triggers on a critical hit and a critical hit simply doubles damage, but doesn't indicate a minimum. So I don't think there's any reason that the crit wouldn't disrupt the action.
That's right. Something like the Pin to a Spot feat that applies the restrained condition "if you hit and do damage," or a Wraith's Drain Life ability that triggers "When the wraith damages a living creature."
BTW, an Attack of Opportunity can disrupt a move action if you have one of a couple feats that buffs it that way. That can be annoying to deal with if you knock someone down and don't let them stand up.
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I also think a critical hit could fail to do damage but still knock someone around enough to disrupt anction.
So the argument is that it expressly has to state that it needs to deal damage to count as it being a limitation, similar to the likes of Felling Strike, and that because Attack of Opportunity does not have that limitation, a critical hit from an Attack of Opportunity still disrupts the relevant actions.
Yes, the argument is that the rules need to expressly say something for it to be a rule... that's kind of how rules work. AoO mentions disrupting manipulate actions with a critical hit. Critical hits are defined in the rules, and nowhere is it mentioned that a critical success that deals no damage is not a critical hit.