Oracle Feat Blaze of Revelation doesn't work rules as written?

[sideways117]

I am not sure if I am not reading this correctly or what but I don't think its possible to use Blaze of revelations rules as written.

In order to use the feat you must be overwhelmed by your curse. at level 18 when you have 6 different levels of curse mild, minor, moderate, major, extreme, and overwhelmed. In order to get to overwhelmed from mild you have to cast 5 revelation spells all of which are focus spells. Alternatively if you have used any number of revelation spells you can refocus gaining back all of your focus points to the max of 3 and you are set to your minor level of curse.

I checked the wording on extreme curse and it says you do not get overwhelmed and in order to get overwhelmed you have to cast another revelation spell.

I also checked the wording on refocusing reducing your curse and it looks to me you have to reduce to your minor after you refocus and gain your focus points back.

There is nothing I can find that can add a cursebound trait to anything that isn't a focus spell unless I'm missing something.

For anyone that likes visual aids this is the chart I made to show what I am saying better hopefully.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RKBEBVLJb8hhon8BXFgMEbpzD JBhJDBlCHykb3EuXrA/edit?usp=sharing

[Cordell Kintner]

Yes you're not supposed to cast another spell once you hit Extreme, but if you do, such as my regaining a focus point in a different way, the feat can activate. There's plenty of ways to regain a single point, such as through a familiar with Familiar Focus or other class feats. The easiest of which is Desperate Prayer with Champion Dedication, but you could also use Energized Font if you're a Gnome, or Surging Focus with Cleric Dedication.

Basically, if you can't cast a 4th spell before refocusing, you shouldn't get that class feat.

[sideways117]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Yes you're not supposed to cast another spell once you hit Extreme, but if you do, such as my regaining a focus point in a different way, the feat can activate. There's plenty of ways to regain a single point, such as through a familiar with Familiar Focus or other class feats. The easiest of which is Desperate Prayer with Champion Dedication, but you could also use Energized Font if you're a Gnome, or Surging Focus with Cleric Dedication.

Basically, if you can't cast a 4th spell before refocusing, you shouldn't get that class feat.

So there is no way to regain points in Oracle proper so that means the only way to use Blaze of revelation is to wait for Mystery Conduit at level 20?

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

Maybe the divine spell Divine Inspiration?

It only says you regain Focus points as if you had Refocused, I could see an argument that it wouldn't reset your curse back down to Minor.

[sideways117]

Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

Maybe the divine spell Divine Inspiration?

It only says you regain Focus points as if you had Refocused, I could see an argument that it wouldn't reset your curse back down to Minor.

Nice Catch. I would think we would need an answer from a faq to be for sure though. It is very much an edge case I could see it go for either or.

[Cordell Kintner]

The spell should only increase focus points, exactly as it says. If it did anything else it would say "Gains the effects of Refocusing".

[sideways117]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

The spell should only increase focus points, exactly as it says. If it did anything else it would say "Gains the effects of Refocusing".

So it doesn't consider you doing the refocusing action as part of the spell being resolved. That is how I was interpreting it but it does make since how you put it.

[Cordell Kintner]

sideways117 wrote:

Cordell Kintner wrote:

The spell should only increase focus points, exactly as it says. If it did anything else it would say "Gains the effects of Refocusing".

So it doesn't consider you doing the refocusing action as part of the spell being resolved. That is how I was interpreting it but it does make since how you put it.

Correct. It also regains you a spell slot without any of the other effects, so why would it give other effects of Refocusing?

[sideways117]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

sideways117 wrote:

Cordell Kintner wrote:

The spell should only increase focus points, exactly as it says. If it did anything else it would say "Gains the effects of Refocusing".

So it doesn't consider you doing the refocusing action as part of the spell being resolved. That is how I was interpreting it but it does make since how you put it.

Correct. It also regains you a spell slot without any of the other effects, so why would it give other effects of Refocusing?

I guess the wording "as if it had refocused" is what is tripping me up.

[Cordell Kintner]

the "as if it had refocused" part is important. You regain the same amount of points as if you refocused right then and there. That means if you have 3 points max and spent them all, and you just refocused to gain 1 back, the spell wouldn't do anything since you haven't spent points since the last time you refocused. Also as a high level oracle, if it were cast on you when you have only spent 2 of the 3 points, you would only gain one back, while if you spent all three you would gain 3 back.