Fleshy Facade spell & vampires


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Fleshy Facade spell states "This gives the target the appearance of a living creature of the type it was when it was still alive."

So does this spell give a humanoid vampire a shadow and/or reflection as those would seem to be part of its "appearance... when it was still alive"?


Yea you would because it is a transformation(Polymorph) spell, but you also lose all undead abilities as well. This is a horribly thought out spell. It should have been an illusion so that you maintain all your undead abilities. It would be a lot better to use disguise self instead of this.

While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form


Oh yeah, I see what you mean, you effectively become an actual humanoid since undead immunities are either Ex or Su and so are all vampire powers. Ironically, weaknesses don't seem to be, so you would still burn in sunlight etc presumably. Pretty useless spell, though maybe for an NPC villain who's a ghoul and wants to pretend to be human and foil PCs casting Detect Undead it might be worth it.

Disguise Self RAW doesn't seem to help vampires much, as they can only turn into other creatures of their type, so you could become a zombie or a lich, but not a humanoid technically.

But then presumably that wasn't RAI as I've been reading Ashes at Dawn and pretty much all the vamps have disguise self prepared or carry a hat of disguise if they aren't a caster. They would seem to have zero reason for that spell RAW. In one instance a vampire does actually use a hat of disguise to pretend to be human I noticed.

I guess disguise self would be the best bet for a vampire to have a reflection and a shadow then, but it should have to look elsewhere to foil Detect Undead then.


Actually, Appearance of Life spell is an illusion spell and "makes undead creatures of Medium size or smaller appear as if they were living humanoid creatures." Living humanoid creatures do have shadows and reflections, so presumably this spell would create the illusion of them.

Anything wrong with my logic?

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