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I’m glad WoTC is catching up with Paizo on this topic. Wish they used Ancestry instead of People to avoid confusion. But I’m most glad they are going to follow Paizo’s lead and hire a more diverse staff:
Go to WoTC statement and comments on ENWorld
It isn't surprising though. They trade freelancers back and forth, so WoTC would have been "forced" to update.
"Ancestry" isn't good;
1. it ties family to biology too much, and
2. how in the heckfire is a Warforged an ancestry?
Or how is half-elf a (singular) ancestry?
"Stock", which Burning Wheel uses, also bring biology to mind too much. We are people not race horses.
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This whole topic is fraught with catch-22's but I will say I don't see WotC as needing to "catch up" with Paizo. Just look at this page and one can see as much diversity (however one chooses to define it) as one could hope for across a random sample of the TTRPG cohort of humanity.
I don’t believe the OP was saying that D&D needed to catch up with Paizo in terms of diversity of the player base, but rather about beginning to divest themselves of legacy terminology and depictions in their printed materials that promote racist stereotypes. Paizo made visible strides in that regard and were transparent about doing so, WOTC is now doing the same.
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This whole topic is fraught with catch-22's but .....I don’t believe the OP was saying that D&D needed to catch up with Paizo in terms of diversity of the player base, but rather about beginning to divest themselves of legacy terminology and depictions in their printed materials that promote racist stereotypes. Paizo made visible strides in that regard and were transparent about doing so, WOTC is now doing the same.
Correct. What you have stated dirtypool, only you said it much more elegantly than I did.
"Stock", which Burning Wheel uses, also bring biology to mind too much. We are people not race horses.
No but people can be made into soup. ;)
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This whole topic is fraught with catch-22's but I will say I don't see WotC as needing to "catch up" with Paizo. Just look at this page and one can see as much diversity (however one chooses to define it) as one could hope for across a random sample of the TTRPG cohort of humanity.
No matter how hard you'll try to spin it, Paizo was in there first with ditching the word "race".
Actually, I might start a thread "How many quarters was Paizo first before WotC to ditch the word 'race' and go with something more sensible?", I wonder what will be the score in 5 years or so.
Correct. What you have stated dirtypool, only you said it much more elegantly than I did.This whole topic is fraught with catch-22's but .....I don’t believe the OP was saying that D&D needed to catch up with Paizo in terms of diversity of the player base, but rather about beginning to divest themselves of legacy terminology and depictions in their printed materials that promote racist stereotypes. Paizo made visible strides in that regard and were transparent about doing so, WOTC is now doing the same.Perhaps but one persons corrected "legacy terminology" and/or "racist stereotypes" is another person's trigger.*
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That’s an apples to oranges comparison, one being a name that Europeans erroneously bestowed upon native peoples on the land they were claiming as they own. There is a lot of history and context tied up in the word both good and bad, so it is completely understandable that an actual native person could be triggered by that word in either direction.
The other, the ones you placed in quotations, refer to terminology and concepts from a game that was first developed in the 1970’s. If someone is triggered by “Race” now being called “Ancestry” in PF2 or “People” in D&D, they may need to take a step back and reconsider with a little empathy for other players.
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Perhaps but one persons corrected "legacy terminology" and/or "racist stereotypes" is another person's trigger.*** spoiler omitted **
Great point! Regarding your True Story, until recently, I would have made the same mistake. There’s an interesting YouTube video on this topic here CGPGrey on Indian vs Native American