[CLERIC] Harmings hands - Channel Smite

[okkappa]

Hi guys,

I need some clarification on this feat ( related to PFS! ):

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HARMING HANDS FEAT 1
The mordant power of your negative energy grows. When you cast harm, you roll d10s instead of d8s.
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CHANNEL SMITE [TWO-ACTIONS]FEAT 4
Cost Expend a harm or heal spell.
You siphon the destructive energies of positive or negative energy through a melee attack and into your foe. Make a melee Strike and add the spell’s damage to the Strike’s damage. This is negative damage if you expended a harm spell or positive damage if you expended a heal spell.
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Channel smite got empowered by Harming Hands?
RAI i'm totally sure it's a legit mechanics.
RAW im led to think i could work for these reasons:

- "If a word or a phrase is italicized, it is describing a spell or a magic item." In the ability the "cast" word is not italicized, so it's not straight related to the mechanics of casting ( so could be read as "use/expend/burn/consume a spell" )
- In the ability, it never say you have to use the "Cast a Spell" activity. And "Cast a spell" is explicitly used to refer to the casting action ( es. REACH SPELL ). So the words "cast" and "Cast a spell" are not the same.

What do you think?

[okkappa]

Forced to UP

[Aratorin]

I don't think you're going to find a consensus on this.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs431mc?Harming-Hands

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42tfx?Crit-question-Channel-Smite

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42pl9&page=5?Got-a-rules-question-about-Pa thfinder-Second#246

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42pl9&page=13?Got-a-rules-question-about-P athfinder-Second#624

[Themetricsystem]

Technically you're NOT casting Harm, you're expending the Spell Slot to add the Spell Damage to the attack so the "When X do Y" benefit wouldn't really apply. This is the strict RAW interpretation but it does "feel" a bit wrong and ambiguous so I'd let it fly in games I run although I wonder how this would shake out in a PFS game.

[HammerJack]

Right. I think that by a strict RAW reading it doesn't work (though I think allowing it to work is probably the better way to run the game). That reading is not universal, though.

[okkappa]

Aratorin wrote:

I don't think you're going to find a consensus on this.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs431mc?Harming-Hands

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42tfx?Crit-question-Channel-Smite

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42pl9&page=5?Got-a-rules-question-about-Pa thfinder-Second#246

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42pl9&page=13?Got-a-rules-question-about-P athfinder-Second#624

Thanks for pointing me to those Q/A.