Brutish shove, attack penalty.

[Birnir]

Hello,

I am trying to wrap my head around the rules for Brutish shove. Brutish shove feat is a one action skill that has the tags Fighter and Press. Press means it cannot be used unless you have attacked previously. so you can only do it after you attack. But you the feat does not have the attack tag and in multiple attack penalty it sais that only skills with attack tag count towards the penalty. So does that mean that when i use the brutish shove, that i make my attack at full strenght ? or am i reading the rules wrong ?

example
action 1 Attack
action 2 Brutish shove
action 3 Attack -3 to attack, because of flat-footed from brutish shove which gives -2 to enamy AC.

or Example 2
action 1 Attack
action 2 brutish shove -5 to attack
Action 3 Attack -8 to attack.

[Malk_Content]

Birnir wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to wrap my head around the rules for Brutish shove. Brutish shove feat is a one action skill that has the tags Fighter and Press. Press means it cannot be used unless you have attacked previously. so you can only do it after you attack. But you the feat does not have the attack tag and in multiple attack penalty it sais that only skills with attack tag count towards the penalty. So does that mean that when i use the brutish shove, that i make my attack at full strenght ? or am i reading the rules wrong ?

example
action 1 Attack
action 2 Brutish shove
action 3 Attack -3 to attack, because of flat-footed from brutish shove which gives -2 to enamy AC.

or Example 2
action 1 Attack
action 2 brutish shove -5 to attack
Action 3 Attack -8 to attack.

While Brutish Shove does not have the Attack trait, it causes you to make a Strike which does. This means your second example is the correct one.

[Aratorin]

Birnir wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to wrap my head around the rules for Brutish shove. Brutish shove feat is a one action skill that has the tags Fighter and Press. Press means it cannot be used unless you have attacked previously. so you can only do it after you attack. But you the feat does not have the attack tag and in multiple attack penalty it sais that only skills with attack tag count towards the penalty. So does that mean that when i use the brutish shove, that i make my attack at full strenght ? or am i reading the rules wrong ?

example
action 1 Attack
action 2 Brutish shove
action 3 Attack -3 to attack, because of flat-footed from brutish shove which gives -2 to enamy AC.

or Example 2
action 1 Attack
action 2 brutish shove -5 to attack
Action 3 Attack -8 to attack.

Neither of your examples are correct.

If you are wielding an Agile Weapon it would be:

Attack 1 - no MAP
Brutish Shove at -4 MAP
Third Attack at -8 MAP

Otherwise it would be:
Attack 1 - no MAP
Brutish Shove at -5 MAP
Third Attack at -10 MAP

[Birnir]

Malk_Content wrote:

While Brutish Shove does not have the Attack trait, it causes you to make a Strike which does. This means your second example is the correct one.

Thanks that makes sense to me now :)