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I want to take some levels in Evangelist in my Warpriests future, but I’ve come to realise this may be thicker than it seems as I worship the Empyrean Lord Korada.
Does Korada count as a deity with respect to the “must worship a deity prerequisite of Deific Obedience, or am stuck only being able to take Celestial Obedience? And if not then why the does the Crimson Templar’s gain access to it if considering they have to worship the Empyrean Lord Ragathiel?
Heck, if I do end up gaining access to Deific Obedience (I’m looking at you Divine Champion ) would I even get access to the boons?
I know there’s some text before the feat Fey Obedience that allows the Feysworn, Evangelist, Sentinel and Exhalted to use the same boons, though it seems Celestial Obedience doesn’t have this text, annoyingly because Deific Obedience and the 3 prestige classes that go with it were published after Celestial Obedience, and there’s been no campaign clarification, at least from what I’ve seen, that would allow it to do the same thing.
I’ve been trying really hard to make this work, and I really hope someone can give me an answer to whether it’s actually achievable or not.
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I haven't done PFS1 in quite some time. Is this question different than the question you asked last month?
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It's a different question.
I wouldn't take the wording of a prestige class' ability as a generalizable rule.
Even if Empyreal Lords are all the coolest deities.
Korada and the few other empyreal lords I just checked specifically grant mystery cultist boons through celestial obedience. Whether you can gain the obedience (not the boons) with Deific Obedience, I'm not certain. Potentially. Crimson Templar grants the feat Deific Obedience, presumably to grant the obedience, since the boons are granted by separate prestige class features not the feat.
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Korada, like all demigods, are deities.
Yes, but Korada is an Empyreal Lord who grants Mystery Cultist Boons accessed through the Celestial Obedience feat not the Deific Obedience feat, which grants Exalted Boons. Korada does not have Evangelist Boons, Exalted Boons, or Sentinel Boons.
The exception granted to the Eldest is specific to the Eldest and the single type of boons that they grant ("Boons") to both the Fey Obedience feat and the suite of prestige classes: Evangelist, Exalted, and Sentinel. Note that it does not grant the boons to the Deific Obedience feat.
In addition, characters using the evangelist, exalted, and sentinel prestige classes from Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods may also use these boons and obediences in order to gain power from a patron Eldest (all three classes receive the same boons).
So I don't think the answer is as clear as we would like, unless someone can find a reference to a clarification somewhere.
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I want to take some levels in Evangelist in my Warpriests future, but I’ve come to realise this may be thicker than it seems as I worship the Empyrean Lord Korada.
Does Korada count as a deity with respect to the “must worship a deity prerequisite of Deific Obedience, or am stuck only being able to take Celestial Obedience?
Strictly as written, no. You need the Deific Obedience feat, and therefore would need to worship a deity that specifically grants a Deific Obedience boon (Or an Eldest, per the exception in TFW:RotF.)
BotD specifically states that Fiendish Obedience does NOT directly qualify for those classes (it suggests the PCs be two levels higher to enter the prestige class). Similarly, you have to be at least level 7 to become a mystery cultist (Celestial Obedience) or Proctor (Monitor Obedience) so those should not qualify as an Evangelist either.
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I want to take some levels in Evangelist in my Warpriests future, but I’ve come to realise this may be thicker than it seems as I worship the Empyrean Lord Korada.
Does Korada count as a deity with respect to the “must worship a deity prerequisite of Deific Obedience, or am stuck only being able to take Celestial Obedience?Strictly as written, no. You need the Deific Obedience feat, and therefore would need to worship a deity that specifically grants a Deific Obedience boon (Or an Eldest, per the exception in TFW:RotF.)
BotD specifically states that Fiendish Obedience does NOT directly qualify for those classes (it suggests the PCs be two levels higher to enter the prestige class). Similarly, you have to be at least level 7 to become a mystery cultist (Celestial Obedience) or Proctor (Monitor Obedience) so those should not qualify as an Evangelist either.
Dang. Well, it’s nice to finally get a solid answer, even if it isn’t in my favour. Thanks!
It does somewhat make me wonder why Crimson Templar’s can gain Deific Obedience as a bonus feat, as worshiping Ragathiel normally wouldn’t grant you access to it, though that’s probably a question for a different time
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It does somewhat make me wonder why Crimson Templar’s can gain Deific Obedience as a bonus feat, as worshiping Ragathiel normally wouldn’t grant you access to it, though that’s probably a question for a different time
That is a good question, and one that can probably be traced back to the variety of developers that work on projects. I might be mistaken but I think every book published after Inner Sea Gods but before Paths of the Righteous only used the Deific Obedience feat. So the developer for PotR may have assumed Deific Obedience was "the replacement for" Celestial Obedience. But then later books introduced Fey Obedience, Fiendish Obedience, and Monitor Obedience. I bet if PotR was reprinted the Crimson Templar would just get Celestial Obedience.
As a practical matter, the Templar might as well have Celestial Obedience now. The obedience doesn't change, and he gains boons at the same character levels as a Mystery Cultist (not the potential faster rate of the Evangelist/Exalted/Sentinel since you can't take Crimson Templar before character level 7).