Gravity Hold questions


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Psychokinetic Hand

Casting Time 1 standard action
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Targets one unattended object of no more than 10 lbs. or 1 bulk
Duration concentration
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
Description
You point your finger at the target object, gaining the ability to lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move action, you can propel the object as far as 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between you and the object ever exceeds the spell’s range. You can’t perform complex operations, such as firing a gun or using a computer, but you can shut a mechanical door or lid and work simple buttons to open or close automated doors or trigger an alarm.
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Gravity Hold

This revelation allows you to move objects at a distance as per psychokinetic hand (see page 370).

When you are attuned or fully attuned, you can use the psychokinetic hand ability of your gravity hold to immobilize, lift, or move a Medium or smaller creature. The creature can attempt a Fortitude save to negate the effect. While under this effect, the target creature cannot move, but can take any other normal actions. This ability follows all of the restrictions of the spell other than the weight limit, but you can’t lift a creature higher than 5 feet off the ground. When you spend a standard action concentrating to maintain the gravity hold, the target can attempt a new save to end the effect. Once a creature successfully saves against this ability, it becomes immune to further uses of this revelation for 24 hours.

I want to verify my understanding of how this works. I think it works like this:

- First, to do any of these things, you must spend a standard action as per the casting time of the spell? (And doing so would provoke opportunity attacks as you are concentrating?)
- Once you have spent that standard action, unless your concentration breaks, you can spend a move action to move an object.
- The effect ends if you do not spend a standard action each turn to maintain it, or if you lose your concentration.

Is that correct?

Or does "allows you to move objects at a distance as per psychokinetic hand" mean that you are counted as always having the spell active, can spend move actions at any time to move stuff around, and only need to spend standard actions if using the 2nd portion of the ability to lift a creature and maintain that lift for more than one round?
E.g., combat starts, turn 1 you attune graviton mode and lift a creature by spending a move action. You then spend your standard action attacking. At the start of your next turn, the creature is freed unless you spend a standard action. If at any time you lose concentration, the creature is freed.


You must use a standard action to activate it and force someone to save. If they fail, they would be immobilized. It would not provoke an attack of opportunity because it's a Supernatural ability, and neither using Supernatural abilities nor concentrating (on anything, including regular spells or SLAs) triggers an attack of opportunity.

There are no actual rules for interrupting a concentration duration spell by inflicting damage, either. Not spending the standard action to maintain it is the only published way to "break" concentration as a spell duration. (Concentration on the initial casting of a spell, which doesn't apply to a Su ability, is different.)

You do need to spend a separate move action if you want to move/lift the creature, instead of holding it immobile. Otherwise you can concentrate to sustain as a standard action and run around or do something else with your move action while they are stuck until they save.


Xenocrat wrote:

You must use a standard action to activate it and force someone to save. If they fail, they would be immobilized. It would not provoke an attack of opportunity because it's a Supernatural ability, and neither using Supernatural abilities nor concentrating (on anything, including regular spells or SLAs) triggers an attack of opportunity.

There are no actual rules for interrupting a concentration duration spell by inflicting damage, either. Not spending the standard action to maintain it is the only published way to "break" concentration as a spell duration. (Concentration on the initial casting of a spell, which doesn't apply to a Su ability, is different.)

You do need to spend a separate move action if you want to move/lift the creature, instead of holding it immobile. Otherwise you can concentrate to sustain as a standard action and run around or do something else with your move action while they are stuck until they save.

"you can use the psychokinetic hand ability of your gravity hold to immobilize, lift, or move a Medium or smaller creature."

The language for immobilize seems to be the same as for lifting or moving--how is it that you do not need to use a move action to do so for immobilize?

Also, if you are only using the first part of this ability, does that just require a move action, or do you first have to activate the ability (standard action) in order to unlock the ability to spend a move action to lift/move non-creature objects around?


You might be right that immobilize also requires a move action - I don't think the language compels a GM to rule either way. I was analogizing to Psychokinetic Hand where the object of your standard action just sits there until you expend a further move action, but obviously the Psychokinetic Hand isn't the reason inanimate objects aren't moving around under their own control...

If you're only using it as regular Psychokinetic Hand, you have to use a standard action to activate and a move action to actually move anything.


Ah, I see your point--the spell itself doesn't have an immobilize effect, just the move/lift effect (as a move action), so I see there is some fuzziness around whether immobilize just requires activating the spell, or also requires a move action.

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