Demoralize vs Terrifying Howl immunities

[richienvh]

Hi All,
I am reading the CRB and the Demoralize action states that the target becomes immune to further attempts to Demoralize it for 10 min.

The Terrifying Howl Barbarian Feat mentions that the targets become immune to it for 1 minute.

Does the 1 min immunity replace the 10 min immunity for the Demoralize Action? Otherwise the 1 min immunity would become irrelevant...

[beowulf99]

That is an odd case. In both instances the foe would be immune, "regardless of the outcome."

So I would have to say that the 1 minute immunity is simply superfluous. I can't find any reason to believe that it supercedes the basic demoralize immunity.

[FlashRebel]

Actually, Terrifying Howl isn't a feat that turns the Demoralize action into an emanation but a different action from Demoralize altogether. They don't even have the same traits (Demoralize has the auditory, concentrate, mental and emotion traits and Terrifying Howl has the barbarian, auditory and rage traits), just a similar effect (and just saying you demoralize enemies around you is shorter than re-explaining the effect). Then the 1-minute immunity to Terrifying Howl overrides the 10-minute immunity to Demoralize.

What doesn't make much sense here is that an ability that applies the frightened condition lacks the emotion and mental traits. Probably getting an erratum soon.

[beowulf99]

Is it though?

CRB PG. 91 "Terrifying Howl" wrote:

You unleash a terrifying howl. Attempt Intimidate checks to Demoralize each enemy within 30 feet. Regardless of the results of your checks, each enemy is then temporarily immune to Terrifying Howl for 1 minute.

That certainly is worded as just using intimidate against all foes in a 30 foot radius. I would agree with you if it was worded more like the much debated Battle Medicine, where it went into detail to differentiate what you are doing from a standard demoralize.

But the wording leads you to just using the rules for demoralize which include the 10 minute immunity. More likely in my mind is that the 1 minute immunity is simply a typo. Either it is meant to say 10 minutes, or it is meant to say that the 1 minute immunity is instead of the 10 minute immunity.